The Bible is undeniably a sexist book. It constantly devalues and objectifies women. Is it hard to be a bible-believing Christian and a modern woman? [Spirituality & Religion]
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@Dolimyte
lol agreed.
Because i've read it.
That's how the vast majority of women are treated in the bible. They have value only in relation to their husband and their virginity. They're used as barter chips or themselves tormented as a punishment to a man.
lol agreed.
Why do you think the bible says that kind of thing?
Because i've read it.
That's how the vast majority of women are treated in the bible. They have value only in relation to their husband and their virginity. They're used as barter chips or themselves tormented as a punishment to a man.
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu Glorified incubators? Getting pregnant, and raising responsible loving children is THE most important profession in the world! Much harder than any other job. Only women can get pregnant and deliver babies. Men can't do it. We are mysterious, special, and unmatched, and men know it. They need us and often worship the woman that doesn't compete with him. Sometimes people who don't love men and need to prove they are equal have been either abused by alcoholic fathers, or been treated badly by some man, or come from a country that didn't respect women. Women don't need to prove we are equal, because we are equal.
I was the CEO of a non profit and I had mostly men on the board. We all need to prove we can do the job whether we are women or men. Gender is insignificant at work. It is an important difference at home however. In every organization there has to be a leader that takes charge when needed. The man needs to gently lead in the home. A loving man leads by serving. A man will not be bossed by his wife and not retaliate. Psychology 101.
I was the CEO of a non profit and I had mostly men on the board. We all need to prove we can do the job whether we are women or men. Gender is insignificant at work. It is an important difference at home however. In every organization there has to be a leader that takes charge when needed. The man needs to gently lead in the home. A loving man leads by serving. A man will not be bossed by his wife and not retaliate. Psychology 101.
Dolimyte · 41-45, M
@Carazaa
So only the person that gets pregnant can raise the children?
Citation needed
Glorified incubators? Getting pregnant, and raising responsible loving children is THE most important profession in the world! Much harder than any other job. Only women can get pregnant and deliver babies.
So only the person that gets pregnant can raise the children?
A man will not be bossed by his wife and not retaliate. Psychology 101.
Citation needed
@Carazaa
Certainly, but you've missed the point. Of course a woman's ability to carry children is important and necessary, it's just that all too often that is ALL women were valued for; glorified incubators. Bible included.
lol obviously. But that's not how women were usually treated in the bible. Recall the subject of this thread.
This is the kind of thing that tells me you are out of touch with young women today.
No, a man does NOT need to lead in the home. This is NOT psychology 101, it's societal indoctrination. A logical fallacy known as argument from tradition.
Do households work with a man in charge? Yes.
Do households work with a woman in charge? Yes.
Do households work with a man and a woman sharing equally the decisions? Yes.
You're actually reinforcing my point that the bible is sexist by championing its sexist views as the "right" way .
Just as you did with the verse from proverbs. What you describe is one way for a woman to be, one way for a good relationship to be.
But in the bible that is the only way for a "godly" woman to be and that's sexist and it's wrong.
Getting pregnant, and raising responsible loving children is THE most important profession in the world!
Certainly, but you've missed the point. Of course a woman's ability to carry children is important and necessary, it's just that all too often that is ALL women were valued for; glorified incubators. Bible included.
Women don't need to prove we are equal, because we are equal.
lol obviously. But that's not how women were usually treated in the bible. Recall the subject of this thread.
The man needs to gently lead in the home. A loving man leads by serving. A man will not be bossed by his wife and not retaliate. Psychology 101.
This is the kind of thing that tells me you are out of touch with young women today.
No, a man does NOT need to lead in the home. This is NOT psychology 101, it's societal indoctrination. A logical fallacy known as argument from tradition.
Do households work with a man in charge? Yes.
Do households work with a woman in charge? Yes.
Do households work with a man and a woman sharing equally the decisions? Yes.
You're actually reinforcing my point that the bible is sexist by championing its sexist views as the "right" way .
Just as you did with the verse from proverbs. What you describe is one way for a woman to be, one way for a good relationship to be.
But in the bible that is the only way for a "godly" woman to be and that's sexist and it's wrong.
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu Nope, you are deceived if you think a man likes to be lead by his romantic partner. Maybe once or twice, or for play, but this is what Freud is famous for this, and The Shakespeare play "The Taming of the shrew" by Shakespeare, and Kiss me kate by Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton that's what it's all about. Live and learn. You are naïve about male psychology. All women have mothers. To be a woman is identification with Mom, All men have mothers, and to be a man is separation from mother. Have you ever heard of a ball breaker?
@Carazaa
Holy everloving shitballs. You are talking to me about psychology 101 and you're bringing up FREUD?!
My dude, you need to update your psychology education. A huge portion of Freud's theories on psychology have been discredited and abandoned by psychologists of the modern era.
I took classes in psychology over a decade ago and he had been discredited THEN.
Sorry, that caught me off guard.
Outdated psychology notwithstanding, i don't think you actually refuted anything else in that post.
but this is what Freud is famous for this,
Holy everloving shitballs. You are talking to me about psychology 101 and you're bringing up FREUD?!
My dude, you need to update your psychology education. A huge portion of Freud's theories on psychology have been discredited and abandoned by psychologists of the modern era.
I took classes in psychology over a decade ago and he had been discredited THEN.
Sorry, that caught me off guard.
Outdated psychology notwithstanding, i don't think you actually refuted anything else in that post.
@Carazaa
Yup. And yet he was wrong about almost everything he said.
He's a big name in psychology but not because his ideas are considered legitimate.
I cannot believe you're championing Freudian psychology. It had little to know scientific backing and was largely conjecture which he was incredibly defensive about.
I don't know what you learned when you went to school but you need to update.
https://www.alliant.edu/blog/are-freud-and-psychoanalysis-still-relevant
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/weekinreview/25cohen.html
https://www.livescience.com/why-freud-was-wrong.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Freud_Was_Wrong
https://allthatsinteresting.com/sigmund-freud-psychology#:~:text=In%20subsequent%20years%2C%20Freud's%20theories,largely%20been%20discredited%20by%20psychologists.&text=That%20experts%20now%20reject%20the,thinkers%20is%20not%20unusual%2C%20however.
And on and on.
Anyway, outdated psychology notwithstanding, i don't think you actually refuted anything else in that post.🤷♀️
Freud is the founder of Psychoanalysis,
Yup. And yet he was wrong about almost everything he said.
He's a big name in psychology but not because his ideas are considered legitimate.
I cannot believe you're championing Freudian psychology. It had little to know scientific backing and was largely conjecture which he was incredibly defensive about.
I don't know what you learned when you went to school but you need to update.
https://www.alliant.edu/blog/are-freud-and-psychoanalysis-still-relevant
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/25/weekinreview/25cohen.html
https://www.livescience.com/why-freud-was-wrong.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Freud_Was_Wrong
https://allthatsinteresting.com/sigmund-freud-psychology#:~:text=In%20subsequent%20years%2C%20Freud's%20theories,largely%20been%20discredited%20by%20psychologists.&text=That%20experts%20now%20reject%20the,thinkers%20is%20not%20unusual%2C%20however.
And on and on.
Anyway, outdated psychology notwithstanding, i don't think you actually refuted anything else in that post.🤷♀️
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu You are hilarious! Eric Kandel, Nobel laureate year 2000 argues that Freud's "psychoanalysis still represents the most coherent and intellectually satisfying view of the mind." Of course I don't agree with everything he wrote!
Please read Shakespeare The Taming of the Shrew! Shakespeare is still the most read and genius playwriter ever Lived! Have you studied Shakespeare? Petruchio is a jerk for sure but he is a man, in love with a woman, so why is he such a jerk?
Please read Shakespeare The Taming of the Shrew! Shakespeare is still the most read and genius playwriter ever Lived! Have you studied Shakespeare? Petruchio is a jerk for sure but he is a man, in love with a woman, so why is he such a jerk?
@Carazaa
Yeah, i don't need to argue this with you. Just do some research.
Freud is not the person you want to bring up to flex your psych cred.
And since you continue not to address anything i said i'm going to call this conversation over.
Have a pleasant evening.
In his early academic career, Kandel was fascinated by Sigmund Freud's method of psychoanalysis, devouring everything that Freud had written about sexual instincts, the unconscious and suppression. He later decided the Freudian model lacked convincing evidence
Yeah, i don't need to argue this with you. Just do some research.
Freud is not the person you want to bring up to flex your psych cred.
And since you continue not to address anything i said i'm going to call this conversation over.
Have a pleasant evening.
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu
I don't know why you say I didn't address your post, I thought I was quite thorough.
Is it hard to be a Bible believing Christian and a modern woman? No, its not hard. I don't know how to be anything else.
I think to be a modern woman and not be a Christian is harder looking at all the modern women out there who are struggling. How is it possible to survive not trusting in Jesus is my question? I don't know how to do that. Jesus says "do not lean on your own understanding but in everything acknowledge me, and I will direct your path" If we don't lean on God, what do people lean on? People lean on other things like alcohol, drugs, shopping, partners. I just lean on Jesus and take one day at a time. I wrote a summary of my life in my miracle post for those who haven't read it.
If we ask for wisdom, have faith, and are obedient, its easy. It is the faith and the obedience that is harder than anything because it is easy to lose faith, and its easy to be tempted. People might come at us saying we are old fashion, or a prude, or different. But that's ok, we don't have to be popular. God will take care of us. And it is perfectly fine if ALL we do is raise a family. It is more than enough, and very honorable!
I think it also depends what country we live in. Some countries it's harder than other countries. I happen to come from a country where men treat women equal, Sweden, its a Christian country, with Christian values, even if people don't go to church regularly, more than 60% of the population are members of the Christian State church, which also taught the Christian values in all the schools. Treat people the way you want to be treated, The Golden rule, and Bible reading and prayer every morning in an assembly before class.
I have never tried to be a modern woman but a Proverbs Woman. One who is Godly and is worth more than rubies. She gets up early and attends to her household and servants, buys a field, grows a vineyard, travels far to negotiate her profits, clothes her household in fine linens, has no worry for her household, her lamp does not go out at night. She speaks with wisdom, and Kindness is on her lips, and she is loved.
You have a nice evening too!
I don't know why you say I didn't address your post, I thought I was quite thorough.
Is it hard to be a Bible believing Christian and a modern woman? No, its not hard. I don't know how to be anything else.
I think to be a modern woman and not be a Christian is harder looking at all the modern women out there who are struggling. How is it possible to survive not trusting in Jesus is my question? I don't know how to do that. Jesus says "do not lean on your own understanding but in everything acknowledge me, and I will direct your path" If we don't lean on God, what do people lean on? People lean on other things like alcohol, drugs, shopping, partners. I just lean on Jesus and take one day at a time. I wrote a summary of my life in my miracle post for those who haven't read it.
If we ask for wisdom, have faith, and are obedient, its easy. It is the faith and the obedience that is harder than anything because it is easy to lose faith, and its easy to be tempted. People might come at us saying we are old fashion, or a prude, or different. But that's ok, we don't have to be popular. God will take care of us. And it is perfectly fine if ALL we do is raise a family. It is more than enough, and very honorable!
I think it also depends what country we live in. Some countries it's harder than other countries. I happen to come from a country where men treat women equal, Sweden, its a Christian country, with Christian values, even if people don't go to church regularly, more than 60% of the population are members of the Christian State church, which also taught the Christian values in all the schools. Treat people the way you want to be treated, The Golden rule, and Bible reading and prayer every morning in an assembly before class.
I have never tried to be a modern woman but a Proverbs Woman. One who is Godly and is worth more than rubies. She gets up early and attends to her household and servants, buys a field, grows a vineyard, travels far to negotiate her profits, clothes her household in fine linens, has no worry for her household, her lamp does not go out at night. She speaks with wisdom, and Kindness is on her lips, and she is loved.
You have a nice evening too!
@Carazaa
And i think that's why you're so out of touch.
You think it's is necessary for a man to be in charge. You think it is proper that women be valued for their reproductive organs. You hold it as high praise for a "godly" woman to be working herself to the bone to keep house and make babies.
This is the kind of thing that tells me you are out of touch with young women today.
No, a man does NOT need to lead in the home. This is NOT psychology 101, it's societal indoctrination. A logical fallacy known as argument from tradition.
Do households work with a man in charge? Yes.
Do households work with a woman in charge? Yes.
Do households work with a man and a woman sharing equally the decisions? Yes.
You're actually reinforcing my point that the bible is sexist by championing its sexist views as the "right" way .
Just as you did with the verse from proverbs. What you describe is one way for a woman to be, one way for a good relationship to be.
But in the bible that is the only way for a "godly" woman to be and that's sexist and it's wrong.
No, its not hard. I don't know how to be anything else.
And i think that's why you're so out of touch.
You think it's is necessary for a man to be in charge. You think it is proper that women be valued for their reproductive organs. You hold it as high praise for a "godly" woman to be working herself to the bone to keep house and make babies.
This is the kind of thing that tells me you are out of touch with young women today.
No, a man does NOT need to lead in the home. This is NOT psychology 101, it's societal indoctrination. A logical fallacy known as argument from tradition.
Do households work with a man in charge? Yes.
Do households work with a woman in charge? Yes.
Do households work with a man and a woman sharing equally the decisions? Yes.
You're actually reinforcing my point that the bible is sexist by championing its sexist views as the "right" way .
Just as you did with the verse from proverbs. What you describe is one way for a woman to be, one way for a good relationship to be.
But in the bible that is the only way for a "godly" woman to be and that's sexist and it's wrong.
@Carazaa
Look beyond your ego. It's not about attacking you, the ideals your championed prove the point i was making.
You appear to find no fault with the way woman are represented in the bible.
That unavoidably makes you out of touch with how modern women see themselves.
I'm happy to end it there if you are.
Look beyond your ego. It's not about attacking you, the ideals your championed prove the point i was making.
You appear to find no fault with the way woman are represented in the bible.
That unavoidably makes you out of touch with how modern women see themselves.
I'm happy to end it there if you are.