Radiometric dating shows an ancient earth but Young Earth Creationists want to believe that is isn't reliable. Just guess. Well answer me this: [Spirituality & Religion]

@KuroNeko

lol well to each their own

@Pikachu sure if that's how you want to spend your days. In the end they will believe what they believe.

@KuroNeko

Depends how much they've thought about it.
There are many young eathers in particular who just haven't been exposed to much alternative information.

@Pikachu its all there waiting when they decide to look.

@KuroNeko

I'll just give them a little push then😉

@Pikachu when you push against a belief it only makes people hold on tighter and get defensive. It's their journey, they will get there in the end.

@KuroNeko Maybe i'm part of their journey👍

@Pikachu @KuroNeko [quote]when you push against a belief it only makes people hold on tighter and get defensive. It's their journey, they will get there in the end.[/quote]

Belief follows Truth, and not the other way around. When you people start supporting your claims with real evidence and facts, let me know. I'll be here.

@GodSpeed63 What do you consider to be "...real evidence and facts..."?

@Bushranger [quote]What do you consider to be "...real evidence and facts..."?[/quote]

Yahweh's grand design in the heavens and the earth and how He's made them all work.

@GodSpeed63 So scientifically proved evidence is out.

@Bushranger [quote]So scientifically proved evidence is out.[/quote]

No, scientifically proved evidence points to God.

@GodSpeed63

[quote]No, scientifically proved evidence points to God.[/quote]

Does science say that a cow that sees a striped stick will give birth to a stripped calf?
Because the bible says that.
So is that true? Will that happen?

@Pikachu [quote]Does science say that a cow that sees a striped stick will give birth to a stripped calf? Because the bible says that.[/quote]

So?

So is that true? Will that happen?

It's true in the Word of God at that particular time in man's history. Can it happen again? You answer it.

@GodSpeed63

lol yeah thought not.

You know that, that's not how it works. Scientific evidence will point to that not happening.
Therefore your premise is invalidated.

@Pikachu Speaking of science, there are some interesting studies around what it takes to convince someone to shift from a deeply held view. Mostly a direct approach as you're using is less effective. But doesn't mean it can't work.

Just on the specific topic of striped sticks. What if the cause of the striped calves was not specifically that shadows fell on them, even if Jacob attributed it to that at the time (although later attributed it to God) and that's how you've interpreted it, but that it was a device that helped activate his faith in an interventionist God? In that case the small miracle is much simpler around the existing gene pool that would have existed within those herds of goats.

@Abstraction

yeah it's true. It tends only to entrench someone further. But i think that only goes for the person to whom you're speaking. For any onlookers with less skin in the game i think it can be more effective.

Well it would have to be a miracle since genetics don't work that way lol

@Pikachu A flock of goats with speckled and spotted in together almost certainly carry those genes, so the miracle only requires that the right sperm came first, which had nothing directly to do with his actions. My point was that the branches were no more than a touch point of faith. There are specific examples of that elsewhere, like bathe in Jordan river x number of times.

@Abstraction

Oh. Well yeah. If you're saying that the sticks around at the time of mating have nothing to do with how the offspring turn out then yeah, definitely lol

@Abstraction Which is a faith based claim, something I don't have a problem with. Someone reading that passage and saying that, at that time, it was effective in producing striped offspring, now there's a totally different kettle of fish.

@Bushranger [quote]What do you consider to be "...real evidence and facts..."?[/quote]
Anything that can be (mis)interpreted to support his delusions.

@Sharon Unfortunately, I think you are correct.

@Sharon @Bushranger [quote]Anything that can be (mis)interpreted to support his delusions.[/quote]

Where's your support on that, Sharon? Until you can come up with any support, you're the ones that are delusional.

@GodSpeed63 Still waiting for you to present some evidence that [b]unambiguously[/b] proves your "yahweh" exists.

@Sharon [quote]Still waiting for you to present some evidence that unambiguously proves your "yahweh" exists.[/quote]

Still waiting for you to present some evidence that unambiguously proves Yahweh doesn't live. You've already proven that He lives by failing to support you claims.