How do we justify taking Isaiah as a description of the second coming/end times rather than the specific fall of the near east nations of the time? [Spirituality & Religion]

The destruction and judgement seems pretty specific and rather local in scope so how do Christians determine that this actually describes the end of the world?

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Qwerty14

I wouldn't have a clue. I wasn't aware anyone used Isaiah that way. Revelation does clearly take influence from Isaiah and that is a clear end of days book. So I guess there's that. But if you dont remember, I think Revelation is better used as toilet paper than as a serious prediction of the future

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Qwerty14

@Pikachu The thing with Isaiah is it was written during time of occupation. The predictions of an end to a kingdom or a ruler usually refer to the ruler of the time. In Isaiah's case I believe it was the Babylonians iirc. Revelation was probably the same too, referring to an end to the Roman Empire. Is it just wishful thinking or actual prophecy? I think the former personally. It's not exactly a hard one to predict. All kingdoms fall eventually.

Pikachu

@Qwerty14

Well that seems to be the case with a lot of these "prophecies". They're not so much inspired visions of the future as they are reasonable predictions based on the political climate of the time and place lol

Qwerty14

@Pikachu Exactly. The bible is a record of Jewish history written in very poetic fashion. What some might interpret as a vision from God is also just a clear description of the Jews feelings towards their occupiers and their hope for freedom.

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

Through the Word by His Holy Spirit.

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Pikachu

@GodSpeed63

lol but you seem quite content to bandy words right up until you come up against a question you can't answer.
Funny that🤷‍♀️

GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M

@Pikachu [quote]but you seem quite content to bandy words right up until you come up against a question you can't answer[/quote]

I can answer it but you'll refuse to accept it like all the answers I've given you.

Pikachu

@GodSpeed63

lol still bandying words....thought you didn't do that.

Are you afraid of being disagreed with? Stop making excuses because it just makes you look like a liar.

Put up or shut up.

REMsleep · 41-45, F

Isaiah was a prophet so it is understood that the Bible includes a long line of prophets and the ultimate message is the salvation thru the Messiah.

Isaiah was quoted many times by Jesus himself in the Gospels.

Pikachu

@REMsleep

Well maybe the ultimate message is that...but the book of Isaiah is awfully specific and it just doesn't seem to concern most of the world.

Honestly is seems to me to be the same thing that we see when people apply the predictions of Nostradamus to every fucking thing.

It's one thing to predict a specific event and quite a less impressive thing to take old predictions and apply them to whatever you want.

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