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Adstar · 56-60, M
Yes she will be very happy indeed..
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Adstar · 56-60, M
@Pikachu Not being creepy i am just telling you how it will be if your Mum is saved and is with Jesus in eternity forever.. She will be perfectly happy in His eternal perfect existence.. God will remove all pain tears and suffering from her.. So your eternal situation will not effect her at all..
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Pikachu Nope.. I don't believe God will wipe our memories.. Part of the reason for living on this world in this state of being is to learn from it.. But God will cause your Mum to be perfectly happy knowing where you are and knowing the reality of the situation..
You need to understand that those who enter Gods eternity will be changed.. Transformed into perfected Beings.. They will understand all things.. They will be far superior to what they where in their human flesh state.. We shall be greater then Angels..
You need to understand that those who enter Gods eternity will be changed.. Transformed into perfected Beings.. They will understand all things.. They will be far superior to what they where in their human flesh state.. We shall be greater then Angels..
@Adstar
I didn't say anything about a memory wipe.
And in fact you just agreed with me.
Trust me, it's creepy if you haven't bought into the propaganda.
So culty.
But i guess that answers the question. In your opinion, she would no longer be my mother in any meaningful sense of the word.
I didn't say anything about a memory wipe.
And in fact you just agreed with me.
Trust me, it's creepy if you haven't bought into the propaganda.
So culty.
But i guess that answers the question. In your opinion, she would no longer be my mother in any meaningful sense of the word.
@Adstar
She'll be happy in spite of her child being tortured forever. Happier than she ever has been apparently.
God will change her into a thing that isn't upset by the torture of her children.
Trust me, it's creepy if you haven't bought into the propaganda.
So culty.
She'll be happy in spite of her child being tortured forever. Happier than she ever has been apparently.
God will change her into a thing that isn't upset by the torture of her children.
Trust me, it's creepy if you haven't bought into the propaganda.
So culty.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Pikachu Actually i have heard more then a few reports of muslims being visited by Jesus in dreams.. I have even posted a few video's about unbelievers being visited by Jesus and coming to salvation .. And Jesus did speak to them Audibly..
But yeah demons masquerading as Angels of Light have also visited people in the past.. Muhammad of islam and the Joseph smith of the mormons are two prime examples of this..
But yeah demons masquerading as Angels of Light have also visited people in the past.. Muhammad of islam and the Joseph smith of the mormons are two prime examples of this..
@Adstar
So the people who believe they experience god just as you do and with just as much conviction but believe it's a different god are deceived but the experiences [i]you [/i]attribute to god are legitimate.
I think you can understand the failure of logic there.
Let me put this in perspective for you:
Because you do not believe as the radical Muslim believes, you find it creepy that suicide murder should be rewarded by a whole mess of virgins.
In the same way it's creepy that you're happy with the idea that people will be changed, given a divine lobotomy and exist as blissful zombies in heaven.
Think about it before you respond.
So the people who believe they experience god just as you do and with just as much conviction but believe it's a different god are deceived but the experiences [i]you [/i]attribute to god are legitimate.
I think you can understand the failure of logic there.
Let me put this in perspective for you:
Because you do not believe as the radical Muslim believes, you find it creepy that suicide murder should be rewarded by a whole mess of virgins.
In the same way it's creepy that you're happy with the idea that people will be changed, given a divine lobotomy and exist as blissful zombies in heaven.
Think about it before you respond.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Pikachu [c=#003BB2]""So the people who believe they experience god just as you do and with just as much conviction but believe it's a different god are deceived but the experiences you attribute to god are legitimate.""[/c]
Yes.. God is One and He has one Will for all mankind.. Christianity and islam have conflicting accounts of the Will of God.. Therefore one of the two MUST be false. I believe the Torah and the Gospel are the will of God and what guys like muhammad and Joseph smith brought are false.. Now it does not matter to me if they where given their messages by fallen angels or if they made it up by themselves.. In the end God is One and He has one Will..
I don't find the concept of muslims being rewarded for killing and being killed in jihad being rewarded with 70 virgin is heaven creepy.. I find it an enticement to the base desires of flesh men and simply wrong.. Jesus revealed there would be no marriage in eternity and we would not have wives.. I believe Jesus..
Anyway your opinion that things are creepy is just that.. Your Opinion.. Nothing more.. I could be of the opinion that being an atheist is creepy but again that would probably mean nothing to you.. So likewise your repeated declaration that you think this or that is creepy about your Mum going to heaven and you going to hell means nothing to me..
Anyway this exchange has drifted way off the topic. We seem to have exhausted the topic of your Mum and you and your eternal destinations.. So maybe you can start another question on other topics if you want to talk about them..
Yes.. God is One and He has one Will for all mankind.. Christianity and islam have conflicting accounts of the Will of God.. Therefore one of the two MUST be false. I believe the Torah and the Gospel are the will of God and what guys like muhammad and Joseph smith brought are false.. Now it does not matter to me if they where given their messages by fallen angels or if they made it up by themselves.. In the end God is One and He has one Will..
I don't find the concept of muslims being rewarded for killing and being killed in jihad being rewarded with 70 virgin is heaven creepy.. I find it an enticement to the base desires of flesh men and simply wrong.. Jesus revealed there would be no marriage in eternity and we would not have wives.. I believe Jesus..
Anyway your opinion that things are creepy is just that.. Your Opinion.. Nothing more.. I could be of the opinion that being an atheist is creepy but again that would probably mean nothing to you.. So likewise your repeated declaration that you think this or that is creepy about your Mum going to heaven and you going to hell means nothing to me..
Anyway this exchange has drifted way off the topic. We seem to have exhausted the topic of your Mum and you and your eternal destinations.. So maybe you can start another question on other topics if you want to talk about them..
@Adstar
[quote]Anyway this exchange has drifted way off the topic.[/quote]
...we finished that topic.
You've declared that my mother will be remade into a thing that is happier than ever knowing that her child is burning in hell.
We've established that she will no longer be my mother but a blissful zombie lobotomized by the lord.
...which is creepy. It's the plot of a dystopian sci-fi but you're happy about it because you've bought into the propaganda.
Christians are likened to a flock of sheep for a reason.
We're onto a new topic now and i'm fine with discussing it here.
[quote]Therefore one of the two MUST be false[/quote]
And both you and the Muslims believe with equal conviction that the other is being deceived.
The point being that when you acknowledge that god has never spoken to you and that you only [i]interpret your experiences[/i] as being of god, you have no more justification or legitimacy for that interpretation than you believe the Muslim has.
[quote]Anyway this exchange has drifted way off the topic.[/quote]
...we finished that topic.
You've declared that my mother will be remade into a thing that is happier than ever knowing that her child is burning in hell.
We've established that she will no longer be my mother but a blissful zombie lobotomized by the lord.
...which is creepy. It's the plot of a dystopian sci-fi but you're happy about it because you've bought into the propaganda.
Christians are likened to a flock of sheep for a reason.
We're onto a new topic now and i'm fine with discussing it here.
[quote]Therefore one of the two MUST be false[/quote]
And both you and the Muslims believe with equal conviction that the other is being deceived.
The point being that when you acknowledge that god has never spoken to you and that you only [i]interpret your experiences[/i] as being of god, you have no more justification or legitimacy for that interpretation than you believe the Muslim has.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Pikachu
[c=#003BB2]""And both you and the Muslims believe with equal conviction that the other is being deceived.
The point being that when you acknowledge that god has never spoken to you and that you only interpret your experiences as being of god, you have no more justification or legitimacy for that interpretation than you believe the Muslim has.""[/c]
This is frustrating... Look i give what i believe.. And muslims give what they believe.. In the end God will make it known who has believed in and promoted lies in regard to His actual will.. In the end i do not care about what others think about Christianity's justification or legitimacy,, people can make their own call on such things.. In the end i either have the truth of the will of God or i don't.. I am extremely confident that i do have the will of God.. 😊
What i am simply expressing is i don't care if people make such statements about Christianity not being more or less justified or legitimate.. It does not interest me because people are responsible for their own person response to what i reveal.. It's not my call..
[c=#003BB2]""And both you and the Muslims believe with equal conviction that the other is being deceived.
The point being that when you acknowledge that god has never spoken to you and that you only interpret your experiences as being of god, you have no more justification or legitimacy for that interpretation than you believe the Muslim has.""[/c]
This is frustrating... Look i give what i believe.. And muslims give what they believe.. In the end God will make it known who has believed in and promoted lies in regard to His actual will.. In the end i do not care about what others think about Christianity's justification or legitimacy,, people can make their own call on such things.. In the end i either have the truth of the will of God or i don't.. I am extremely confident that i do have the will of God.. 😊
What i am simply expressing is i don't care if people make such statements about Christianity not being more or less justified or legitimate.. It does not interest me because people are responsible for their own person response to what i reveal.. It's not my call..
@Adstar
Of course you're confident.
So are Muslims. So are Jews.
But truth is not based on what you [i]believe [/i]is true and the justification you use for your belief is the same that everyone else uses as well.
It's meaningless as a way of knowing.
So when you talk about holy lobotomies because you believe that some super being is going to take everything away from you so that you can sit at his feet in zonked out bliss and worship him...that's creepy.
I think what you should take away from this is that people who do not believe as you do, people who have issues and criticisms with the architecture of your faith are not [i]anti-christs[/i], are not evil or hateful. Just not convinced by the things that convince you and not afraid to challenge it.
Pray on that.
Of course you're confident.
So are Muslims. So are Jews.
But truth is not based on what you [i]believe [/i]is true and the justification you use for your belief is the same that everyone else uses as well.
It's meaningless as a way of knowing.
So when you talk about holy lobotomies because you believe that some super being is going to take everything away from you so that you can sit at his feet in zonked out bliss and worship him...that's creepy.
I think what you should take away from this is that people who do not believe as you do, people who have issues and criticisms with the architecture of your faith are not [i]anti-christs[/i], are not evil or hateful. Just not convinced by the things that convince you and not afraid to challenge it.
Pray on that.
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Pikachu I never spoke of ""Holy Lobotomies"" i said i believed we will remember our lives on earth because i believe that's part of the learning we need.. So i am not a promoter of any lobotomies..
There are genuine seekers who are still seeking the truth of the LORD.. But when people post mocking pictures of Jesus on the cross with ""BRB"" in a bubble and a woman at the base of the cross going ""LOL"" at Him Mocking the most loving self sacrifice.. Then yeah that person is a anti-christ mocking the Loving act of my LORD Jesus.. Yes indeed you are an anti-christ Pikachu and you shall face the LORD..
There are genuine seekers who are still seeking the truth of the LORD.. But when people post mocking pictures of Jesus on the cross with ""BRB"" in a bubble and a woman at the base of the cross going ""LOL"" at Him Mocking the most loving self sacrifice.. Then yeah that person is a anti-christ mocking the Loving act of my LORD Jesus.. Yes indeed you are an anti-christ Pikachu and you shall face the LORD..
@Adstar
[quote] I never spoke of ""Holy Lobotomies""[/quote]
You did. You just didn't call it that.
You seem to be making the mistake that a lobotomy erases your memory but it's actually a form of brain surgery implemented to make the mentally ill compliant.
That's what you're talking about: god changing who and what a person is so that they can be blissed out and worship him.
[quote]Then yeah that person is a anti-christ mocking the Loving act of my LORD Jesus[/quote]
I would sincerely like you to understand this.
To me that's just a little joke.
I don't believe in god and i don't believe Jesus was divine so to me that's just some flippant humour.
I don't hate Jesus. In fact he's one of the characters in the bible i like.
I just don't buy into the religion and so i don't take it seriously in the same way you do.
So when you call me an anti-christ because i don't take it seriously and don't have the same handicap that you do when it comes to calling out what i see as problematic in the scripture....well that just comes across as hateful zealotry.
Do you understand?
That's like me calling you a nazi because you made a joke about a Jew walking into a bar.
I will continue to call out what i feel are moral deficiencies in the bible because i genuinely take issue with some of it and i enjoy the discussion. From time to time i'm going to treat the subjects with less respect than an believer would.
I just wish that you and your fellows wouldn't mistake that for hatred or mean-spirited mockery or being an [i]anti christ[/i]! lol
[quote] I never spoke of ""Holy Lobotomies""[/quote]
You did. You just didn't call it that.
You seem to be making the mistake that a lobotomy erases your memory but it's actually a form of brain surgery implemented to make the mentally ill compliant.
That's what you're talking about: god changing who and what a person is so that they can be blissed out and worship him.
[quote]Then yeah that person is a anti-christ mocking the Loving act of my LORD Jesus[/quote]
I would sincerely like you to understand this.
To me that's just a little joke.
I don't believe in god and i don't believe Jesus was divine so to me that's just some flippant humour.
I don't hate Jesus. In fact he's one of the characters in the bible i like.
I just don't buy into the religion and so i don't take it seriously in the same way you do.
So when you call me an anti-christ because i don't take it seriously and don't have the same handicap that you do when it comes to calling out what i see as problematic in the scripture....well that just comes across as hateful zealotry.
Do you understand?
That's like me calling you a nazi because you made a joke about a Jew walking into a bar.
I will continue to call out what i feel are moral deficiencies in the bible because i genuinely take issue with some of it and i enjoy the discussion. From time to time i'm going to treat the subjects with less respect than an believer would.
I just wish that you and your fellows wouldn't mistake that for hatred or mean-spirited mockery or being an [i]anti christ[/i]! lol
Adstar · 56-60, M
@Pikachu [c=#003BB2]""That's what you're talking about: god changing who and what a person is so that they can be blissed out and worship him.""[/c]
As a Christian i worship the LORD now by my own free will and when i enter into eternity i will know Him even more so my worship will be greater and purer and better.. 🙂 No labotonies needed now or then..
[c=#003BB2]""I would sincerely like you to understand this.
To me that's [b]just a little joke[/b]."" [/c]
NO!!! NOT A LITTLE JOKE.. NEVER A LITTLE JOKE 😡 Woe unto you upon the day of judgement... I understand your lying soul and so does my LORD Jesus Christ..
As a Christian i worship the LORD now by my own free will and when i enter into eternity i will know Him even more so my worship will be greater and purer and better.. 🙂 No labotonies needed now or then..
[c=#003BB2]""I would sincerely like you to understand this.
To me that's [b]just a little joke[/b]."" [/c]
NO!!! NOT A LITTLE JOKE.. NEVER A LITTLE JOKE 😡 Woe unto you upon the day of judgement... I understand your lying soul and so does my LORD Jesus Christ..
@Adstar
And you would be [i]happier than ever[/i] even if your son or daughter or wife or mother was burning forever...
In this life would you be happy that you were doing well if you knew that someone you loved was being tortured?
Of course not.
So if that [i]basic [/i]humanity changes when you get all Jesused up...you're not who you were. You've just got your holy lobotomy. You can sit at gods feet and sing "glory, gory, glory!".
[quote]I understand your lying soul[/quote]
Yikes.
So much for trying to be understanding.
I just tried to genuinely, [i]genuinely [/i] share what i believe is a major source of our friction...and you respond with [i]fury[/i]...I'm a liar and I better watch out cuz your god is going to hurt me!
Amazing.
I don't want to talk to you anymore. You're so full of hatred.
I'm disappointed with you, i didn't think you were like this.
We're done, here.
And you would be [i]happier than ever[/i] even if your son or daughter or wife or mother was burning forever...
In this life would you be happy that you were doing well if you knew that someone you loved was being tortured?
Of course not.
So if that [i]basic [/i]humanity changes when you get all Jesused up...you're not who you were. You've just got your holy lobotomy. You can sit at gods feet and sing "glory, gory, glory!".
[quote]I understand your lying soul[/quote]
Yikes.
So much for trying to be understanding.
I just tried to genuinely, [i]genuinely [/i] share what i believe is a major source of our friction...and you respond with [i]fury[/i]...I'm a liar and I better watch out cuz your god is going to hurt me!
Amazing.
I don't want to talk to you anymore. You're so full of hatred.
I'm disappointed with you, i didn't think you were like this.
We're done, here.
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