Do you believe in God? [Spirituality & Religion]

@RandomForest Much the same here. We were required to at least pretend to believe in the christian god at school, including singing hymns and praying to it.

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So you are one who Jesus talked about, who is fallen away from faith just before he comes back! Proves Jesus right!

Funny when someone is indoctrinated with road safety they don’t call it indoctrination.@RandomForest

@Speedyman People who aren't "indoctrinated" with road safety tend to crash, eh.

And people who don’t know they way, the truth and the life’ tend to as well! @Elessar

@Speedyman I know plenty of people who drive safely and reach their destination even without GPS. It's those ignoring the (tangible, observable) signs who crash.

Your problem is that life is full of signs you don’t see which will lead you to crash@Elessar

@Speedyman Your signs, as explained countless time, are so open to interpretation that they could be used by any and every religion/cult, and couldn't exclude all the other hypotheses either. So it doesn't constitute "evidence", in the strict sense of the term.

Not at all they are backed up by historical evidence@Elessar

@Speedyman Historical "evidence" that, as explained countless time, is so open to interpretation that it could be used by any and every religion/cult, and couldn't exclude all the other hypotheses either. So it doesn't constitute "evidence", in the strict sense of the term.

Not at all. They historical evidence of the resurrection of Christ is so convincing that if you study it properly you will know the Christianity is true@Elessar

@Speedyman There isn't a single document that can't be said not to be forged. There have been in circulation something like 1 million of nails supposed to be the ones used to crucify him (maybe a huge part of them are fake? unless they used a nail gun I guess?). So no, no groundbreaking evidence.

@Elessar It doesn't constitute "evidence", in any reasonable sense of the term.

@Speedyman Post some of this evidence. Otherwise I ask you live your delusion quietly.

@RandomForest They all claim to have heaps of evidence proving their god is real and their hero came back to life after being nailed to a tree - just like the story of Odin. They can never actually produce any of this so-called evidence though, they just keep repeating the claim that they have loads of it. Strange that.

No scholar of any repute would say what you are saying. Else all ancient history is false @Elessar

@Speedyman The principle of proportionality demands extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims. Of the approximately 100 billion people who have lived before us, all have died and none have returned, so the claim that one (or more) of them rose from the dead is about as extraordinary as one will ever find. Is the evidence commensurate with the conviction? According to philosopher Larry Shapiro of the University of Wisconsin–Madison in his 2016 book The Miracle Myth (Columbia University Press), “evidence for the resurrection is nowhere near as complete or convincing as the evidence on which historians rely to justify belief in other historical events such as the destruction of Pompeii.” Because miracles are far less probable than ordinary historical occurrences, such as volcanic eruptions, “the evidence necessary to justify beliefs about them must be many times better than that which would justify our beliefs in run-of-the-mill historical events. But it isn't.”

Yes but Larry Shapiro is wrong. The evidence for the resurrection is actually very compelling when you’re study it. That is why so many people when they have studied it have come to the conclusion that Jesus was raised. Shapiro is just one of those who philosophically does not believe in miracles and that is the philosophical position not a scientific one. Actually Shapiros argument is laughable@Elessar

@Speedyman It's "compelling" only to those who share your views, guess why. There are no objective, universally accepted evidence, above all nowhere extraordinary. Studious aren't "wrong" just because their results don't match your narrative.

Not at all. Rank unbelievers have found it compelling. History! Your friend Shapiro just shows his prejudices@Elessar

@Speedyman Instead of speaking by slogans, link here some (validated) sources. And not from biased authors.

I have no need to because I have studied and I know what I’m talking about and you don’t. You’re just quoting these people and you haven’t even studied them. But if you actually studied the manuscript there is more evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ than for any other ancient historical event. Shapiro is completely wrong@Elessar

@Speedyman Ah well, if you say so, lmao. If you expect the totality of this world believe the "manuscript" you read but won't share, good luck. Evidence in your head doesn't count as objective and tangible proof.

To me it's still a fairy tale. Just as fictional as The Lord of the Rings, or dragons, or Odin, or Zeus, until proven otherwise.

@Elessar Slowman is typical of a lot of christians, he expects everyone to just accept what he says without question.

You need to read some good books rather than the fairytales you read. Read something that challenges your intellectually. Try ‘The Case for Christmas by Lee Strobel. He was an atheist who did some investigation. Or ‘Mere Christianity’ by CS Lewis, another atheists who came to faith by logical deduction. You really need to read something other than these tired old stuff off the Internet. Bertrand Russell will just reinforce your prejudices. I didn’t feel he challenged my face whatsoever by his arguments as they are totally off the point@Elessar