Is Coronavirus good for the Atheist movement? [Spirituality & Religion]

You might at least get your dates right. I know you can’t help being illogical in your thinking but I would’ve thought that even you knew it was 2000 years ago not 3000@SatanBurger

@Speedyman I said 3,000 on purpose to highlight the fact it was thousands of years ago. Yeah Jesus walked on water and a virgin gave birth but I'm illogical, sure buddy.

You are as wrong as you can be! Absolutely up the wall! Like most atheists, you can’t see further than your nose! @SatanBurger

@Speedyman Explain it then since you're making a claim, how is anything in the bible logical?

How on earth is your belief that nothing made something logical? You have got to explain first of all how on earth you can believe a total piece of misinformation which has no logic at all. The whole process of atheistic thought is totally illogical because even if we are the product of blind forces it means that our logic is illogical anyway. Your problem is that you have never thought anything through@SatanBurger

@Speedyman You never did explain how things and miracles in the bible were logical. How about starting with the question I specifically asked you.

Of course miracles are logical. We have seen them happen. Your problem is you can’t see anything beyond the natural state and you need to broaden your mind and horizons. @SatanBurger

@Speedyman Lol if only the scientific community worked that way "this claim works, I've seen it! No need for laboratory testing." That would be nuts.

@SatanBurger Actually science does work that way. Science sees an something and tries to come up with a logical explanation. Two young men knocked on the door of a local pastor late at night. They wanted to know about miracles. It seemed that they had just been in a horrific traffic accident and both of them walked away without a scratch. It would seem a log fell off a truck going the other direction and the log took out the entire driver's side of the pickup. It came through the windshield, took out the steering wheel and the driver's seat and the wall behind the driver ending resting on the road behind the truck and the trailing end of the log still resting on the box of the truck. The driver was one of the young men knocking on the door. The passenger was completely shaken as he had seen the log go straight through the driver. The only explanation that made sense was it was a miracle. The funny thing about science is scientism has great difficulty with the concept that there is so much more we don't know that what we do know. Yes miracles happen.

Yes but you have just contradicted yourself by invoicing science. A miracle is something that lies outside of the realm of scientific explanation. You can of course test the results of a miracle but not why it happened. Your problem is you have locked yourself into a one explanation way of thinking. Science is good but it does not provide all the answers. You need to broaden your thinking@SatanBurger

@hippyjoe1955 Actually part of the reason why supplements and vitamins are not regulated is because there's no testing so I disagree.

If we ran everything in science how religious people did we would be fucked.

Ask faith healing groups and how many kids they kill.

@IstillmissEP Independent testing sure but on the other hand they found some guy making supplements in his basement and found that it didn't even contain what it was supposed to. So it only relies on where you believe company or not.

In another instance, SCIENTISTS overdosed their fake supplement with arsenic and then sent it to several third party testing companies as they disguised themselves as a supplement company. All of the testing labs except one said the levels of arsenic were safe lols.

Think if the scientific community went off "miracles" for everything they do in life. We'd all die. Just ask faith healing groups how well prayer works for them.

@IstillmissEP What about the children who died from faith healing groups? They just didn't believe enough?

At any rate I agree about legal drug use sometimes killing people.

But that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm asking what would happen if we did everything as believers do and believed everything as a miracle to make that our basis for selling medicine or doing anything at all.

The ultimate point to this is that miracles are not evidence for anything.

You would risk it?

Having been a Christian over 50 years and never coming across a single case of children in faith healing groups who die as the bogus claims suggest, I would suggest you don’t believe everything in the gutter press. Miracles don’t convince those who don’t want to believe. Jesus performed miracles and they crucified him. @SatanBurger

@IstillmissEP If you think miracles are restricted to physical healing you are sadly mistaken. I know of guys who drove for hours with no fuel in their vehicles. Food that simply didn't run out no matter how much was eaten etc. I don't know of any placebo that has that kind of effect.

@Speedyman People deny school shootings exist too like Alex Jones and his crowd, which doesn't take the fact of the matter away. Those kids die, whether or not you say it's a bogus claim. Faith-healing groups are similar to anti-vax groups, anti-vax groups have helped to kill children in the past on social forums when gullible parents ask their advice.

Both groups are protected by law, so the parents would naturally be brought criminal charges. The people who "prayed" upon these gullible parents are not or the gullible parents brought up in such faith-healing cults.

We have religious freedom and about 6 states legally say it's okay to not bring your kids to the hospital if you do NOT believe in medical care.

And honestly, when you can't answer the question of why some kids die in faith-healing groups if miracles were real.

Quick! Say it's all a lie 🤷‍♀️

This brings me back to my original point, what if the entire medical community just did things that religious people do without evidence? What if the entire medical community were like anti-vax groups or faith-healing groups.

Don't get me wrong, it would be entertaining if it didn't affect everyone else around them.

Where do you get your news from some lying website? People like you illustrate the view that when people stop believing in God they don’t believe in nothing they believe in anything. You are totally wrong. Just because one or two cranks behave in a certain way he does not mean to say that everyone does. That is why you’re an atheist because you believe anything. I don’t know where you’ve got this rubbish from but it is simply not true of the vast majority of Christian people who believe in divine healing an£ miracles and is generally put about by atheists to discredit Christians. Of course it belief by people like you because you believe anything as you are so gullible. But believe me I’ve had over 50 years of experience which you haven’t and I have never seen people like this@SatanBurger

@Speedyman Lol "if I believed anything" I'd believe you about miracles so there's that. "Trust me I'm a ________" simply doesn't work, now that WOULD be believing in anything. So how do you say it? I think you are projecting how you really are vs. me.

Google's your friend here but you are wasting my precious time, it's obvious you can't answer for the 183 kids that have died since the 1970s, that number including the quick google search of the recent 10 that's died past 1995 in the news.

https://katu.com/news/local/fallen-followers-investigation-finds-10-more-dead-children-of-faith-healers-11-23-2015

[quote]Child Fatalities from Religion-Motivated Medical Neglect” in the journal Pediatrics.16 They identified 172 well-documented cases of children who died between 1975 and 1995 from treatable illnesses with a good prognosis because parents withheld medical care for religious reasons. The cases spanned twenty-three sects in thirty-four states. There were many more cases with incomplete information or that were never reported. At the time, all but five states had religious shield laws to prevent the prosecution of parents.
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https://www.skepdoc.info/christianity-can-be-hazardous-to-your-health/

I bet they think the same as you despite faith-healing killing many including Africa where faith-healing is prominent. That's what leads their kids to die of preventable diseases.

So I'll ask you one more time and if you continue to red-herring me to death, I'll just ignore it.

"Can you tell me, what would happen if the entire medical community was like those faith-healing groups?"

No?

Alright.

You are almost completely naive. I am just reading a book about an atheist who caused the death of 70 million people under his role. What have you got to say about that? The problem is people like you believe any old trash that’s on the Internet@SatanBurger

@Speedyman I just provided links for you to look at in faith healing groups and you completely skip over to say "I was reading a book on atheists though..." 😂

Try to hide the red herring better, the original subject was [b]"what if the medical community did the same as believers and miracles."[/b]

That's too funny, you don't even hide it by trying to stay on the original subject 😂

"Here's evidence of why the color blue is blue" *provides links*

You: "The color yellow did something bad, what do you have to say about that HUH!?!"

LMAO no really.. just LOLS

You are incredibly naive to believe this tosh. But then you are an atheist and atheists in my experience believe anything. You appear to have the mistaken notion that belief in divine healing somehow means we don’t go to doctors. How I’ll informed you are. But then atheists believe things they know nothing about. You are so, so naive. You believe anything.
As the Bible says:
Folly is an unruly woman;
she is simple and knows nothing.
She sits at the door of her house,
on a seat at the highest point of the city,
calling out to those who pass by,
who go straight on their way,
“Let all who are simple come to my house!”. @SatanBurger