To Skeptics Who Believe In Evolution: Where Will Your So Called ‘Science’ Be Then? [Spirituality & Religion]

@th3r0n What evidence can you present of [b]your specific god[/b] and no other?

@th3r0n [quote]faith that there is no God [/quote]

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods

[b]What part of that requires faith?[/b] (faith is merely pretending to know something that you do not really know).

[quote]despite evidence[/quote]

Please present your evidence

@th3r0n [quote]Science points to God too when done properly, those claiming science instead of God are just members of the atheistic faith, that have faith that there is no God despite evidence[/quote]

You got that right, brother.

@newjaninev2 [quote]1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)[/quote]

1. No,there's no proof that gods exist but there is plenty of evidence that the one true God, Yahweh, lives.

[quote]2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)[/quote]

2. You're right, there's no proof that God doesn't live. Since you can't prove that Yahweh doesn't live, get used to having Him around.

[quote]3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.[/quote]

3. What left field are you coming from? 3. in any event, there's compelling necessity to spread the good news of salvation that God so richly wants to give to everyone.

[quote]4. therefore, I have no gods[/quote]

4. therefore, you do have a god. Anything that takes the place of the one true God, Yahweh, in your heart is your god or idol.

[quote]faith is merely pretending to know something that you do not really know)[/quote]

Wrong. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not yet seen. Hebrews 11:1

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Since you can't prove that Yahweh doesn't live, get used to having Him around.[/quote]
Since you can't prove that The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't live, get used to having Him around.

@Sharon [quote]Since you can't prove that The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't live, get used to having Him around.[/quote]

Why do you lie so much? You must really like punishing yourself and beating yourself to ground with all the lying you do.

@GodSpeed63 Name 3 lies she has told. I bet you can't do it.

@GodSpeed63 Yes, I already said that there's no proof that gods exist, and that there's no proof that gods don't exist

I note that when we get to the further reality that there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, you suddenly veer away and start talking about your personal opinion... an opinion that is based solely on your personal opinion

I further note that when I say I have no gods, you again talk about your own god as if its existence was a given... despite your earlier agreement that there's no proof that gods exist, and that there's no proof that gods don't exist. Come now... you can’t have it both ways. Which is it?

Hope around something unseen... sounds like pretence to me

@newjaninev2 there’s actually a huge amount of proof, but you’d have to read and understand the bible to see it

It’s written in the words of the bible, many things that man kind has recently learned, wisdom told that man did not have, and the ways in which God told us the world works and what he does are all seen to be true when examined sincerely and closely, but even though they are beyond numerous, atheists will look at each individually and say “that’s not concrete proof”, but not seeing the many that are all consistent they do not understand

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Why do you lie so much? [/quote]
I'm not lying, you have [b]never[/b] managed to prove that The Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't live. If you have, provide a link to where or simply restate your proof here.

Your frequent false allegations do your case no good at all. They just make you look dishonest and malicious as well as foolish. Or course, that just gives more credence to your opponents so I'm happy for you to carry on undermining your own precarious position.

@th3r0n [quote]there’s actually a huge amount of proof,[/quote]
That's easy to say. I can just as easily say there is actually a huge amount of proof The Flying Spaghetti Monster lives and, what's more, present just as much of that proof here as christians have ever managed to present of their god. It's rather telling also that they just try to dismiss The Flying Spaghetti Monster as irrelevant when they realise they can't prove It doesn't live.

[quote]and the ways in which God told us the world works and what he does are all seen to be true when examined sincerely and closely, [/quote]
Not at all. Except for a few simple examples, biblical claims of how the world works are found to be false when examined objectively with an open mind.

@th3r0n Which version of the bible? There are several!!

@Harriet03 no, there are several “translations”, some more faithful than others

Personally, I use the 1611 version of the King James bible in Old English, it’s my favorite

Faithful and easier to understand deeper meanings for me, but faithful is the most important part

FYI, no evidence of spaghetti monster, lots of evidence of God

you can say it, but truth is the difference

@th3r0n [quote]lots of evidence of God[/quote]
As I said, that easy to say but it's simply not true. No one has ever managed to present any evidence of your god. Simply repeating the same claim doesn't make it true but it does emphasize the fact that you have no evidence to support your claim. The truth is, there is at least as much evidence of The Flying Spaghetti Monster as there is of your god.

@Sharon you can spout all those trashy lies that you want to, but it’s quite plentiful, you just ignore it or say “that’s not evidence” when the word of God written thousands of years ago tells not only how the world work in ways that man didn’t know but also events happening now

@th3r0n [image deleted]Or sit on a jury!

@th3r0n [quote]you can spout all those trashy lies that you want to, but it’s quite plentiful,[/quote]
Oh dear, like all christians faced with a question they can't answer, you're reduced to resorting to abuse and defamation of your opponents.

If your claimed evidence were "quite plentiful" you would be able to present some of it. Thus far, not one christian has even managed to do so, they just keep repeating the same claim, hoping that, eventually, someone will simply believe them.

@Sharon you didn't ask, you just said there wasn't any

Just like all liars, you claimed the truth false without any reason or evidence, or even asking for evidence

@th3r0n [quote]you didn't ask, you just said there wasn't any[/quote]
You're twisting my words. No surprises there. I pointed out that, [b]if such evidence exist[/b] those claiming it does would be able to present it. It doesn't take a genius to see the implied request there.

@Sharon no, but it takes a fool to answer a fool according to such folly

if you actually want that evidence, not to bash it and ignore it and look for any way it could not be evidence, but to consider it, I would provide a large amount a bit at a time, which would add up to being quite a certainty, but if you don’t have a desire to learn, then I would just be tossing pearls at the feet of a swine

@th3r0n If all you have to offer are silly insults, there's no point continuing.

If you have some real, hard, verifiable, evidence that points unequivocally to your specific god, I'll be happy to consider it. Simply saying "it's all around you" however just doesn't cut it.

@Sharon FYI, disparaging or ignoring what I say, will result in blocking, I’m not here for argument which is a waste, but if you’re interested in learning, I am here for that

Some small starting pieces: life begets life, thus the concept of randomness that atheists use to discredit God is actually insane, and real science points to the idea that life always existed (this alone does not prove God, but keep this in mind along with all other information, this is additive, not individual, such as true science always is)

DNA is adaptive, but has never ever shown to change type of creature. Things change, those who survive pass on their genes. Epigenetic switches are changed as anyone or anything lives and their choices and environment affect this, and are passed down to their offspring. This complex system is further indication of an intricate and deliberate design for survival, and is shared by all living things with DNA despite no common ancestors. This is called intelligent design modernly, and is not “proof of God” individually, but is strong evidence for creation itself

One evidence for the one true God specifically, is that epigenetics is referenced, passing on the sins of the father of those that hate God to the son and to the third generation. It has been shown that corruptions, which are caused by sin, are passed genetically. When one chooses to, say, do homosexual acts, or be a cannibal, or a murderer, these corruptions affect epigenetic switches and are factually and provably passed down to the offspring, though of course anyone can choose to repent and turn away from sin, meaning to those who don’t follow that terminology that you can defy your nature and not be a murderer even if you have the tendency to do so

Tree roots and lungs have the same patterns of structure, indicating similar design and designer

Neurons in the brain and stars in galaxy formations also have very similar patterns, further indicating similar design and the the same designer

The bible had many prophecies about the time right before the tribulation of man to have many things specifically coinciding, including the love of many to grow cold, children being disobedient to parents (remember this is everywhere not just in one area, these things have not been all over everywhere all at once like this before), life returning to the dead sea, a spotless red calf being born, all the floods and many earthquakes and natural disasters that have recently been blamed on global warming, and many evil traits that will define most of the people, which in my lifetime even have gone from a small percentage of people to very very many, I’ll just quote the bible verse for that:

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:1-7

Back to science pointing to God, rather than predictions of the end time we live in that prove the one true God is the real one, the exact distance from the sun and rotation and orbit are just right so that a majority of the earth can have liquid water and enough energy to sustain life, which is itself a complex system that would not have happened on its own

Basically, to be atheist one must believe that these incredibly complex systems came into being without being designed or created, that they somehow have matching patterns in several different places, and that “global warming” is to blame for the many natural disasters that have been spiking beyond known levels of earth’s history all over the globe at once right when mankind has become more evil than ever before

@th3r0n Who or what created God? (Other than man)!

@th3r0n [quote]ignoring what I say, will result in blocking,[/quote]
OK, making threats like that immediately suggests you're only going to offer faith based opinion rather than real evidence. Nevertheless, I'll read it on the off chance I'm wrong.

[quote]real science points to the idea that life always existed [/quote]
Where do you get that idea from? It's simply not true, science recognizes that life began.

[quote]This complex system is further indication of an intricate and deliberate design for survival, [/quote]
Not at all, any change resulting in a non-viable specimen would immediately die out. The fact that some specimens only bearly survive is indicative of a lack of design.

[quote]shared by all living things with DNA despite no common ancestors. This is called intelligent design modernly[/quote]
DNA evidence points to all life having a common ancestor but nothing there suggests any form of design, intelligent or otherwise.

[quote]One evidence for the one true God specifically, is that epigenetics is referenced, passing on the sins of the father of those that hate God to the son and to the third generation. [/quote]
Now you appear to be making a faith statement rather than offering real evidence.

[quote]Tree roots and lungs have the same patterns of structure, indicating similar design and designer[/quote]
Pure coincidence. Other things have completely different structures.

[quote]The bible had many prophecies...[/quote]
Most of which are vague and couched in metaphor. None of them are limited by time either. Just about any prophecy will come true if you simply wait long enough. Someone called Sharon will win the National Lottery - maybe not this week; maybe not next week. No matter though, until it happens it's simply "yet to be fulfilled".

[quote]prove the one true God is the real one, the exact distance from the sun and rotation and orbit are just right so that a majority of the earth can have liquid water and enough energy to sustain life,[/quote]

Every second the sun converts about 600 000 000 tonnes of hydrogen into about 596 000 000 tonnes of helium. The difference of 4 000 000 tonnes being emitted as energy is the form of electomagnetic radiation. Given that E=mc^2, that's about 385 yottawatts. The Earth receives only about 50 GW of that. That's a fraction of 1.4 E-16 of the total! Only a fraction of that hits the Earth's surface and much of it is harmful to life. Not what I would call a good design! The type of life on this planet survives because it happens to fit the prevailing conditions.
If the conditions were different, any life would also be different.

[quote]Basically, to be atheist one must believe that these incredibly complex systems came into being without being designed or created,[/quote]
To be a creationist one has to believe an even more incredibly complex "intelligent creator" came into being just by chance, without being designed or created. How much less likely is that?


Nothing of what you've said is real evidence of a god, much less your specific one. I realise you'll probably block me now for daring to point out the flaws in your argument but I can't let your misinformation go unchallenged.

@Sharon pointless, blocked