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God Created [Spirituality & Religion]

I will be removing all rude and condescending comments.

There are currently 829 comments and so many of them are rude and condescending!

Currently, there is a rather misleading thread which asks...

"For my creationist friends who reject that evolution has occurred: What do you consider to be the best COUNTER-EVIDENCE that evolution has occurred?"

This question is misleading. Most Creationists believe that God created a world with many Kinds of creatures and that these creatures multiplied and grew in diversity. We believe that God used genes as building blocks for creatures in the same way that we might use cement to build very different structures. Similarities between creatures that are of different Kinds are simply the result of having the same building blocks. A dome structure and a skyscraper might both use cement but the similarity means nothing. It means nothing in biology as well.

Similarities between organisms might be used to classify organisms but using similarities to make assumptions about origins is ridiculous!

I am, however, thankful that God gave each Kind of creature the genetic ability to become diverse. So, we have many kinds of birds... many breeds of dogs... etc. Some call this ability evolution... but it does not imply that dogs came from an ancient bacterial ancestor. lolol.

So, does evolution occur? Yes, within each Kind of animal, of course! Does that mean that Darwin's dream might have merit? Of course not. The intricacies of nature and the masterful use of genetic building blocks implies a Creator... an organic architect and engineer.

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Kwek00 · 41-45, M

No Becky, it really doesn't.
The need to invoke some kind of architect without having prove of this architects excistence, has more to do with human beings urge to understand everything without actually understanding it. It's a psychological trick people play on themselves to feel more secure about their ignorance concerning their reality. It's better to stay ignorant instead of taking an hypothesis for proven fact just to feel better about oneself. At least ignorance gives people a motive to search for a better understanding, embracing an hypothesis and turning it into dogma will just keep us ignorant for ever.

Grvstu · 70-79, F

You are actually playing a psychological trick on yourself, kidding yourself that nothing made something and calling it knowledge. Belief in a creator is not about ignorance but about expanding the mind. @Kwek00

SW-User

@Kwek00 Your premise is a theory, that supports a preconceived preference, while New Becky used the actual existing evidence, and supports it analytically.

Sharon · F

@SW-User How can a premise be a theory? They're two different things. 🤔

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Grvstu I'm very sorry, but pretending that people believe that "nothing made something" is the only thing that is helping you out here. That's your trickery right there. If you are going to look at the ideas about how our universe came into excistence, then the most prominent one that can actually be substaniated by evidence is that everything is a result from a really dens high mass object that excisted in a single point. Which then exploded and expanded. After that, gravity and other aspect of nature (which physics try to describe) did the rest of the work. What is beyond this explosion (if the theory is holds up, but it gets boosted over time by more discovery) is something we can only guess.

Believing in creator is pretending to know the answers so you can feel good about yourself (because you loose uncertainty) and then you can expand your fantasies from there.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@SW-User What evidence is that? If there really was so much evidence, there wouldn't be this much pushback against this baseless claim of religious people that God just poofed everything into excistence because a segment of the poppulation just can't live with the uncertainty about the bigger questions. Questions like: "where do we come from" and "why are we here". Instead of doing the hardwork, they just put their faith in believes that give easy answers and that stun our growth as a species. It's not only ignorant it's dangerous.

Carazaa · F

@Kwek00

everything is a result from a really dens high mass object that excisted in a single point. Which then exploded and expanded. After that, gravity and other aspect of nature (which physics try to describe) did the rest of the work. What is beyond this explosion (if the theory is holds up, but it gets boosted over time by more discovery) is something we can only guess.

OK😂

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Carazaa That's what the evidence learns us so far.

It's better then pretending that we have the answers and then start worshipping the insanity we infused because we couldn't handle the idea of not knowing.

Carazaa · F

@Kwek00 We know the answers because God showed us, and he told us!
Dr. Francis Collins The founder of "the American genome project"

The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome. He can be worshipped in the cathedral or in the laboratory. His creation is majestic, awesome, intricate and beautiful - and it cannot be at war with itself.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Carazaa That's very nice that this guy makes this statement. But where is the proof? Is the proof ever going to come? If the proof is like the second comming, then maybe it's better to ditch this concept till the man returns and explains it to us, in the mean time we can start being rational again and act on evidence isntead of fantasy.

Carazaa · F

@Kwek00 The second coming is too late to realize that the Bible is true. If you can't figure it out logically then listen to Francic Collins who is a genetic expert and says no way it's impossible that there is no God who made this universe and living cells.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Carazaa Yeah, ofcourse... if I promise you eternity for your loyalty I wouldn't allow you to know the truth before it's here either.

I'm sorry for mr Collins, but if he doesn't have evidence he should either state his statement as an hypothesis or stop being a scientist.

Carazaa · F

@Kwek00 He has evidence in the human genome, the sunrise, the stars, Gods evidence is everywhere. The more you know about science the more its self evident. I'll copy a video of Dr. Francis.

Carazaa · F

@Kwek00 [media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGu_VtbpWhE]

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Carazaa You are just atributing the idea of the excistence of some deity to something you are amazed by. That's not proof, that's just romantics. Where is the actual proof?

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Carazaa In the first 52 seconds he says: "I won't give you proof tonight, but I'm going to give you things to think about". So much for that video then.

Carazaa · F

@Kwek00 Think about it then for heaven's sake 🙂

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@Carazaa Maybe if I feel like it, I'll watch this movie. But the fact that the man has no evidence and is going to talk about all the things that fascinate him and that he find so amazing that he can't really understand that it can excist without there being a God is not going to convince me.

SW-User

@Kwek00 It'll be too late for you... if you wait for the second coming. But more to the point, the truth of God's plan for salvation has been going on for thousands of years... right since mankind arrived (and fell in sin). The evidence is overwhelming... about the authenticity, and veracity of the Bible... and you can see the Lord's work in history (and science, etc). The Lord gives you the preponderance of the evidence (libraries and bookstores are full of books providing the evidence), and He gives us holy scripture. He's not going to give you scientific empirical evidence. He's not, he wants you on faith. Faith informed by evidence.

Stop saying there is no evidence, and go look at it, read it, contemplate it. Pray on it.

SW-User

@Sharon Because what you wrote is based on a premise... and not much of a theory. Debunked for the most part.

Sharon · F

@SW-User What are you referring to? You claimed @Kwek00's premise is a theory -

Your premise is a theory,

I asked how a premise can be a theory.

Nothing @Kwek00 said has been dunked. What @NewBecky claims has been though. There is no evidence to support what she and you claim. You tell us to "look at the evidence" but you need to present it first, we can't look at a evidence that doesn't exist.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@SW-User You got any proof for that? You were the person that said:

New Becky used the actual existing evidence, and supports it analytically.

And today you go

The evidence is overwhelming...

But then you end with:

He's not going to give you scientific empirical evidence. He's not, he wants you on faith.

BUT

Faith informed by evidence.

so "faith" not knowledge by evidence that he's not going to give us...
Of course, when people like you embraced the concept before there is evidence, which you clearly do because there is no evidence even though you claim that there is. Then you can pretend to see God everywhere. Which is something people of faith are extremely good at.

This "analytic" and "evidence" nonsense that you push into the discourse to feel better about your baseless stance is only there to make you feel good about yourself. However, I don't want to feel good, I just want to know what is true, and delusional people that believe stuff without evidence aren't going to help me out.