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God Created [Spirituality & Religion]

I will be removing all rude and condescending comments.

There are currently 829 comments and so many of them are rude and condescending!

Currently, there is a rather misleading thread which asks...

"For my creationist friends who reject that evolution has occurred: What do you consider to be the best COUNTER-EVIDENCE that evolution has occurred?"

This question is misleading. Most Creationists believe that God created a world with many Kinds of creatures and that these creatures multiplied and grew in diversity. We believe that God used genes as building blocks for creatures in the same way that we might use cement to build very different structures. Similarities between creatures that are of different Kinds are simply the result of having the same building blocks. A dome structure and a skyscraper might both use cement but the similarity means nothing. It means nothing in biology as well.

Similarities between organisms might be used to classify organisms but using similarities to make assumptions about origins is ridiculous!

I am, however, thankful that God gave each Kind of creature the genetic ability to become diverse. So, we have many kinds of birds... many breeds of dogs... etc. Some call this ability evolution... but it does not imply that dogs came from an ancient bacterial ancestor. lolol.

So, does evolution occur? Yes, within each Kind of animal, of course! Does that mean that Darwin's dream might have merit? Of course not. The intricacies of nature and the masterful use of genetic building blocks implies a Creator... an organic architect and engineer.

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LeopoldBloom · M

Please describe the mechanism whereby a disembodied intelligence could affect material reality. If you don’t know, please propose an experiment or line of research that could answer this.

The failure of Creation “science” to address this is why it’s not a scientific theory. It’s mythology.

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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom You are rather restricted in your thinking. Kind of funny to read your ideas. My question to you is, "How did something come from nothing for no reason?"

Carazaa · F

@hippyjoe1955 How did something come from nothing with no reason Well thats Easy! They say a Big Bang created the world, not God! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,how does that make logical sense?? @LeopoldBloom

LeopoldBloom · M

@hippyjoe1955 I’m asking you a question, jackass. And as usual, you resort to insults instead of answering. Go fuck yourself along with that degenerate cult you belong to.

LeopoldBloom · M

@Carazaa I didn’t ask you to critique a theory you don’t understand, but if you can’t answer the question, at least have the honesty to admit it.

You and Joe are definitely doing your part to make Christianity appear as repulsive as possible.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom No insult at all. Just commenting that since you have no concept of Yahweh you have no way of understanding how things work. You start off with a silly assumption and go on from there. Your thinking is too shallow.

Carazaa · F

@LeopoldBloom How can God affect the material world? That’s an easy one
1. He said he made the universe for us to know that he is God! Can you make stars and the earth that rotates thousands of seconds a minute perfectly miraculously and perfect conditions for us humans? So amazing you have to fall on your knees in awe, right?
2. He answers prayers in this life! Read my post on how God answers prayers!
3. He gave us the Bible to read about the amazing stories how god helped the slaves out of Egypt and conquered evil people who hated God! God is in the side of the Godly! He hates slavery but will enslave you to sin and your enemies if you hate him!
4. God is a spirit but he came to visit us Jesus walked as a man to show us how it’s done and was tortured for our sake who love him to take away our sins so we are spotless and can witness here and give people hope and go to heaven! Where there are no tears! He is coming this generation I think to judge the living and the dead and he is preparing a place now for those who love him!
5. He is giving us signs that he is coming very soon, standing at the door. Increased knowledge and communication and travel, plagues, greate earthquakes, fires, falling away from faith, cold hearts because of iniquity, terrors, false christs and false religions!
Please turn to him and live!

TheWildEcho · 61-69, M

@Carazaa that's a great answer carazaa!

Carazaa · F

@TheWildEcho And you’re a great man🙂

LeopoldBloom · M

@hippyjoe1955 No, you’re just afraid to answer the question, because you know “goddidit” is incoherent.

LeopoldBloom · M

@Carazaa In other words, goddidit and stop asking questions.

I was asking for a precise mechanism, not “shut up and believe.” But thank you for proving my original point that Creationism is mythology, not science.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom In other words. It isn't natural causes that did it. Stop being blind.

LeopoldBloom · M

@hippyjoe1955 In that case, science doesn’t apply, so stop saying that it does. You can’t have it both ways.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom Oh but science does apply. Just because you want to limit science doesn't mean we all have to. If you can't find sufficient causation in the natural it is very logical to look for it in the Supernatural. No supernatural is not ghosts and ghoulies and psychic nonsense. It is simply Something greater than nature. Thus the name Supernatural.

LeopoldBloom · M

@hippyjoe1955 So again, please provide a "scientific" explanation of this mechanism, or how you would investigate it to come up with a theory of its operation. Just saying "supernatural" doesn't mean anything. By definition, science does not include the supernatural. Once a formerly "supernatural" phenomenon is defined scientifically, it becomes "natural."

So are you saying God is just a force of nature?

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom You provide one that doesn't require a Supernatural. You can't. No explanation for the Big Bang or formation of stars and planets or life. None of them can be explained by purely natural causes.

LeopoldBloom · M

@hippyjoe1955 Yes, they can. The difference is that scientific theories can be revised with new observations, while goddidit can't ever be challenged. Which is why I asked about the mechanism instead of pointing out how absurd your "theory" is. And your answer is basically that your "theory" is so advanced, it can't even be investigated through the scientific method. In other words, it's mythology.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom The only problem is your science isn't even science. It is blind partisan nonsense. Ruling out something based on a priori reasoning is not science. "It can't happen therefore it didn't happen isn't science at all. It is stupidity in the extreme.

LeopoldBloom · M

@hippyjoe1955 You're just showing your ignorance. Your pastor told you that "atheists take the Big Bang on faith so it's just like religion," and you never bothered to inquire more deeply because you heard what you wanted to hear.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom The only ignorance in this discussion is coming from you. When you explain the Big Bang get back to me.

LeopoldBloom · M

@hippyjoe1955 I asked you to explain goddidit first, coward.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom Well you see the point is I don't pretend to understand the Supernatural. I simply know it exists. However you say the natural is completely responsible and completely understandable. So please sir illuminate my mind. How did the Big Bang come to be?

LeopoldBloom · M

@hippyjoe1955 How do you know it exists if you don’t understand it? And why should I believe you? You’re not exactly a person who inspires confidence or has my best interests in mind. You come across as a self-centered, arrogant jerk.

Thanks, I’ll stick with my own conclusions rather than yours. You’re a crappy salesman.

I’ll post an explanation of the current theories when I get to a computer if you’re too lazy to look them up yourself.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@LeopoldBloom Logic indicates it must be there. There is not sufficient causation in the natural. The big bang had to have a cause. Nothing in the natural explains it.

Big Band = "Nothing becoming everything for no reason". That is no longer science that is a joke.

LeopoldBloom · M

@hippyjoe1955 Then God also needed a cause, unless you engage in special pleading.

If God didn't need a cause, neither did the Big Bang. If God is eternal, the universe (including whatever preceded it and gave rise to it) could also be eternal.

The real question is whether a conscious mind gave rise to the universe, or if it was a purely natural process. On a basic level, we observe natural processes all the time, while we have never observed a disembodied intelligence, nor do we even have a possible method whereby one could be observed.

Your argument seems to boil down to not knowing the answer, so you resort to goddidit. That's what's known as a semantic stopsign - not an answer, but a demand to stop further questioning. "You must never ask that question"

NewBecky · 51-55, F

@LeopoldBloom The universe could not have been eternal.

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