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Sharon · F
@Evegpt You god doesn't push because it doesn't exist in reality, it's just a figment of your imagination. It's christians like you who push, trying to force everyone to comply with your religious dogma. Try to show some respect and allow other to live their lives as they see fit. We'll be happy to allow you to do the same.
Humanist321 · M
@Evegpt That is nonsense--literally. Put another way, It is a circular argument. Those of us who live in the "real" world of sense, reality, logic, proof, etc., do not accept your premise that there is a world beyond that "real" world, a world that requires us to suspend our notion of what is real and step into a world where faith and belief are operative as substitute ways of knowing in place of logic and verifiability. That is a bridge too far for many of us to cross.
Where so many people miss it is we are not just mind and body. We are spirit. You are also a spiritual being. I was MS logic so it was hard for me to understand my spiritual nature. There was a vacuum in my life that could only be filled by understanding who I was created to be. A child of God. When you get that one truth, it changes things. There is so much more to you than what you know. Don’t settle. @Humanist321
Humanist321 · M
@Evegpt I think what you are saying is that you had a psychological need, a sense of emptiness, and you filled that emptiness with a belief in a spiritual world beyond our real world. But is that more than a fantasy that exists only in your mind and in the minds of others who share that fantasy? There are many fantasies held by those who solve the enigma of their existential question by imagining a world beyond reality in which their frailty becomes permanence, or in their terms, eternal life.
When one person has a fantasy it is called a delusion. When multiple people share a common fantasy it is called a religion.
When one person has a fantasy it is called a delusion. When multiple people share a common fantasy it is called a religion.
Religion is not what’s it’s about at all. I am not religious. I do not live in a made up world. I just met Jesus on the road to Damascus one day. I was searching for answers not fairy tales. I was blessed to have the experience of millions of others and finally understood, who am I, why am I here. God wants to know each of us. Talk to him. He’s can answer your questions. He’s standing at the door. Open it! Don’t miss your opportunity. One day that door will close. @Humanist321
Sharon, it’s a way of saying I came face to face with the reality of Jesus. Paul had an encounter with God on his way to Damascus. Acts 9:3 As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. .. @Sharon
5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. .. @Sharon
Sharon · F
@Evegpt What "reality"? You keep stating your opinion and beliefs as facts. That's disingenuous at best, if not dishonest and deceitful.
I know the story from Acts. 9:7 (KJV) says [i][b]"And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man."[/b][/i] but 22-9 (KJV) says [i][b]"And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."[/b][/i] Pity Saul/Paul (or was it god?) couldn't get the story straight. Whoever wrote it ought to have got a better proof reader.
I know the story from Acts. 9:7 (KJV) says [i][b]"And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man."[/b][/i] but 22-9 (KJV) says [i][b]"And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."[/b][/i] Pity Saul/Paul (or was it god?) couldn't get the story straight. Whoever wrote it ought to have got a better proof reader.
@Sharon First, these are errors in the copies, not the originals. Second, they are minor errors (often in names or numbers) which do not affect any teaching. Third, these copyist errors are relatively few in number. Fourth, usually by the context, or by another Scripture, we know which is in error.
@DocSavage Oh lovely. You won’t be mocking the Son of God come judgement day but what you don’t know is that could be tomorrow. God said you would account for every idle word. Ouch! Let’s hope you come to your senses. It will be no laughing matter to look back on this day at the end and know you could have been saved.
Sharon · F
@Evegpt [quote]First, these are errors in the copies,[/quote]
They're meant to be "the word of god" so can't be in error. Couldn't your god have kept an eye on those making to cop[ies to ensure they were all correct? I thought it was meant to be omnipresent. The bible is packed with contradictions and factual errors.
They're meant to be "the word of god" so can't be in error. Couldn't your god have kept an eye on those making to cop[ies to ensure they were all correct? I thought it was meant to be omnipresent. The bible is packed with contradictions and factual errors.
God could have created everything to go off without a hitch. Perfect. But that’s not what God wanted. He wants us to love him because we want too. He loved us while we were in our sin. He loved us first. We obey him because it is the best way to live. He’s not big boss in sky. He’s our Heavenly Father. @Sharon
DocSavage · M
@Evegpt
God wants us to love him ?
As I said before, creation is pointless without feed back. If god wanted only love, we would be nothing more than a reflection of his own ego.
If we can’t act independently and without influence, then our fate is already chosen before we were born. Which is why Lucifer rebelled in the first place.
What good is life, if you can’t grow and progress beyond the set limits. That is human nature.
God wants us to love him ?
As I said before, creation is pointless without feed back. If god wanted only love, we would be nothing more than a reflection of his own ego.
If we can’t act independently and without influence, then our fate is already chosen before we were born. Which is why Lucifer rebelled in the first place.
What good is life, if you can’t grow and progress beyond the set limits. That is human nature.
Would your earthly Dad expect you to do the right thing? Would he not put restrictions on you and try to influence you to do the right thing? Why? Because he loves you and wants what’s best for you. When you want to go beyond set limits are you talking about morality? Doing things you know your Father wouldn't approve of.? Your Heavenly Father cares for you more than your earthly Father. ,@DocSavage
DocSavage · M
@Evegpt
Why do you consider it immoral ? It’s what we were made for. ( so you say )
The entire history of life is based on growth. Evolution, becoming better, adapting to changing conditions, progress. Gambles don’t always pay out, but if you don’t try, you’ll become stagnant. It’s the spirit of competition to keeps us moving forward. “I did this, see if you can do better”
Your religion tells us to be sheep. And never venture out of the pen. There are other fields to see, and it’s worth the risk.
Why do you consider it immoral ? It’s what we were made for. ( so you say )
The entire history of life is based on growth. Evolution, becoming better, adapting to changing conditions, progress. Gambles don’t always pay out, but if you don’t try, you’ll become stagnant. It’s the spirit of competition to keeps us moving forward. “I did this, see if you can do better”
Your religion tells us to be sheep. And never venture out of the pen. There are other fields to see, and it’s worth the risk.
DocSavage · M
@Evegpt
I’m curious as to why you consider me a sinner, with the need to repent, or why I need Jesus to be accepted into Heaven, or why I can’t question god’s designs or morality.
Your religion describes us as children, who can never grow up and equal our parent, let alone surpass him. If not in actual power, in worth.
I’m curious as to why you consider me a sinner, with the need to repent, or why I need Jesus to be accepted into Heaven, or why I can’t question god’s designs or morality.
Your religion describes us as children, who can never grow up and equal our parent, let alone surpass him. If not in actual power, in worth.
Because God says you are a sinner and need to repent. God sent Jesus to die in your place so justice for a holy God would be achieved and you could go free. You are not worthy because of Adam and eves original sin to be acceptable. He needed someone pure without original sin for the sacrifice. When Jesus died, he opened the doors of Heaven for us. Jesus a man without sin, stood in for us. You will never surpass God. Why would you want too? That was Satans problem. @DocSavage
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Sharon · F
@Evegpt [quote]I’ve been a Christian since 1980 and that has not put one restriction on anything I want to do[/quote]
You're under the yoke of christianity but you're to blinded by faith to see that. Trust me, I know what it's like, I was under that same yoke before I became an Atheist. I was able to break free, you can too if you try. Good luck.
You're under the yoke of christianity but you're to blinded by faith to see that. Trust me, I know what it's like, I was under that same yoke before I became an Atheist. I was able to break free, you can too if you try. Good luck.
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