Do you think if your first exposure to god was reading the old testament that you would love and praise god? [Spirituality & Religion]

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Well it's got to be hard because on the one hand you know god is all good and all loving but on the other hand, you have him doing some pretty heinous shit.

Puts me in mind of the 1984 term "Doublethink"

You are of course ignorant of the times that the Bible was written in when slavery was of course a totally acceptable thing and actually the law in Exidus it did give slaves some rights which no other laws did. The only reason you believe that slavery is wrong is because you have had a Christian culture which believes that it’s wrong and that it was evangelical Christians and Quakers who lead the fight against slavery. If you lived in another culture even today you would quite easily condone slavery. Your problem is you need to learn that think outside your box.@SW-User

Another example of you not thinking@Pikachu

@Speedyman You’re proving our point beautifully. If you can agree that owning a slave is wrong now, then you’re admitting it was wrong then, and that what the bible says is necessarily immoral.

The reason we understand it’s wrong isn’t thanks to Christians, it’s thanks to a reasoned understanding of human well-being, and the diminishing effect owning people as property has on society.

Exodus gave slave masters the right to beat their slaves within an inch of their life. It gave slave masters a loop hole to own the slave for their entire life.

If God recognised slavery for the abhorrent act it was, he could easily have commanded “Thou must not own another human as property”. Instead, he authors a series of maniacal laws giving people the ability to own humans as property, and how they can mistreat that property.

You’re trying to defend an act which you readily admit is immoral, and yet you somehow have the gall to say it’s me who can’t think outside the box? Peculiar.

You are of course totally wrong . Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! You of course do not appreciate anything about why the law was given than the society it was given in. You are looking from the point of view of someone who has had 2000 years of Christian culture to live in. If you understood anything about the history of the slave trade which you obviously don’t, you would know that it was evangelical Christians and Quakers who led the fight against it. They based it on the new Testament principle of the equality of men. You say your absolute uninformed about these things. If you actually knew some history you might be a bit more clued up rather than taking versus at random out the old Testament@SW-User

@Speedyman [quote]You are of course totally wrong . Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! [/quote] What a tantrum:/

@Speedyman yes I agree, absolutely correct! Jesus is all about freeing humanity from slavery!

Just a statement of fact. No tantrum at all. Why the self-deception? @canusernamebemyusername

@Speedyman [i]You are of course totally wrong . Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! [/i] - what an awe inspiring retort.

The laws in the Bible were authored by God, a being who is supposedly in the possession of omniscience. He authored the laws of slavery knowing full well that for thousands of years afterwards they would be the cause of great pain and woe for the unfortunate souls unlucky enough to be forced into such bondage.

And instead of rectifying it at the time of Exodus and proclaiming "no, you shan't own people as property for this is immoral" - he instead decides that Christians will simply correct him a a few thousand years down the line; rebel against his laws on slavery as they come to the realization that God was wrong, and free the slaves that they themselves had bought into bondage in the first place using the words of God as their justification! This is farcical.

Here's an honest thought experiment for you though, Speedy, which I think will cut through this diatribe and get to the heart of the issue; let's use John Rawls 'Veil of Ignorance'. Behind this veil, you know nothing of your place on earth, nothing of your position in society, your sex, race, nationality and so on. You are able to redesign society how you see fit, to redefine fairness and equality, to reconstruct the moral landscape. All of this but without knowing who you would be on this new earth.

Simple question with a yes or no answer - based on this veil of ignorance, would you allow humans to be owned as property?

You are just showing how ignorant you are and th3 fact tha5 you have no idea of the context in which these laws were made. He did not author the laws of slavery slavery was already a fact of life in every society. What the Lord did do was to regulate slavery and give slaves some rights. What it did do was also to free slaves on the day of Jubilee. You say God knows he cannot take people beyond what their own understanding is even though people like you have no understanding whatsoever. You are showing by your own reaction that you have no understanding of what people are like. For the early church to preached against slavery in the Roman times would’ve meant mass crucifixion of them so they simply tried to show slaves how to deal with it while preaching that all men are equal in the sight of God which eventually lead many years later to the abolishment of the slave trade with evangelical Christians and Quakers leading the way. For the early church to preached against slavery in the Roman times would’ve meant mass crucifixion of them so they simply tried to show slaves how to deal with it while preaching that all men are equal in the sight of God which eventually lead many years later to the abolishment of the slave trade with evangelical Christians and Quakers leading the way.
I think you should take the day litigants test as you’re obviously completely ignorant of history. Start there!
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