Do you think if your first exposure to god was reading the old testament that you would love and praise god? [Spirituality & Religion]

Of course you were horrified because you’ve had 2000 years of Christian culture at the back of you@JBird

@Speedyman 2000 years worth of sacrifices and violence? I was a child who is not mature enough to understand the religion is based on violence and ancient barbaric acts and God is not real. Anyway that's not a story to be told to children

@JBird As many have pointed out, organized religion like christianity is all about control. The threat that your parents might sacrifice you was effective for a while.

@Sharon yes, for the next 6 years before I realised it's all bullsh*t

@JBird

Yeah, that's actually one of the stories that made my adult brother begin to lose faith. I think it was after he had children and he just could not conceive of how a god who is meant to be loving could make such a cruel test.

@Pikachu that story also inspired several Christians to kill their children

@JBird

Yikes.
Yes it can be hard to determine when god is peaking to you you're just being crazy.

As our society inspires thousands of mothers to legally kill their children so what? You should be pleased. @JBird

@Pikachu As a supporter of the modern Holocaust you are obviously crazy

@Speedyman oh, so just because women who are aborting their undeveloped foetus for genuine reasons, it's okay to kill children who are born and alive just because an imaginary voice told them to.

First of all, you are oblivious to the situation those women going through or why they are doing that, such as conceived out of rape (marital and non marital), financial issues, faulty birth control or life threatening conditions to the mother. Of course you can't understand any of those because you lack intelligence, common sense or empathy. You think you're the shining knight against the abortion when you're just brainless imbeciles who are ruining women's life. You don't care about people who are out of their wombs and you are crying for one's that's not even born. What a hypocrite. 😂

The vast majority of abortions are for social convenience. A very small proportion are for life threatening conditions or rape. You are the hypocrite using these as examples to kill life@JBird

@Speedyman[quote]
vast majority of abortions are for social convenience. A very small proportion are for life threatening conditions or rape.
[/quote] Proof please? It's easy to make allegations without any proof. Even if that's the case do you think it's wise to take away the right by letting the rest suffer? To give birth or not, it's totally up to the mother because it's a dangerous process that can be fatal. Even after that, it's the mother who has to look after the child. Again, the child and the mother has to go through hardship if she doesn't want the child in the first place. Even adoption is not ultimate solution as only very few children get adopted. This way you're hurting the children too. Rest of them go through abuse and neglect. You keep harping without knowing the situation. I don't understand why men should have right to voice it when they can't give birth.

@JBird [quote]Even after that, it's the mother who has to look after the child.[/quote]
Not necessarily. In many cases the father wishes to care for the child but selfish mothers won't allow that.

[quote] I don't understand why men should have right to voice it when they can't give birth.[/quote]
Approximately half the aborted foetuses are likely to be male and they all have male fathers so men do have a legitimate interest in this.

@Sharon [quote]
In many cases the father wishes to care for the child but selfish mothers won't allow that.
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Most cases, fathers are the ones who force women into pregnancy. I think that's just as cruel as women (and men) not caring for their children. It's most prevalent in Muslim community.

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Approximately half the aborted foetuses are likely to be male and they all have male fathers so men do have a legitimate interest in this.
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I am not talking about the fathers. Men (and women) who have no part in this, judge women taking their decisions. I highly doubt if they care about gender of the baby. It's more like being judgmental on women who took the decision of not being mother

@JBird [quote]Most cases, fathers are the ones who force women into pregnancy.[/quote]
That may be true in your society but it's not so prevalent here in the UK. I'm not calling for abortion to be banned, only pointing out that we all, as a society, have an interest in this.

@Sharon I am not agreeing with using abortion as a means of contraception but I highly believe it's essential at least for third world countries.

@JBird [quote]I highly believe it's essential at least for third world countries.[/quote]
I tend to agree, certainly as an option.

We are talking about the west we are not talking about Muslim countries@JBird

Abortion is a very prevalent use of contraception in the west@JBird