Do you think if your first exposure to god was reading the old testament that you would love and praise god? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Speedyman [quote]You are like a guilty man to whom the judge offers a free pardon and you choose prison instead.[/quote]

Amen, brother, amen. There's no one more blind than those who will not see the truth of God, nor anyone more deaf than those who will not hear the truth of God's Word.

@GodSpeed63 Do you read and follow every word of the bible?

@Speedyman Except in this case, the judge, the crime, and the prison are all imaginary.

@Speedyman @GodSpeed63 Yep.
Organized religion is the epitome of taking what the bible says and translating/[u]interpreting[/u] it into whatever they [b]think[/b] it means. Making it all literal versus spiritual. Twisting and turning it to fit their own biased belief. Pikachu is the epitome of this.

@SW-User [quote]Organized religion is the epitome of taking what the bible says and translating/interpreting it into whatever they think it means. Making it all literal versus spiritual. Twisting and turning it to fit their own biased belief. Pikachu is the epitome of this.[/quote]

Amen, brother.

@GodSpeed63 Do you read and follow every word of the bible?

@Speedyman

lol my dude.

I [i]challenge[/i] you to go two whole weeks without starting a post with "Your problem is".
Do you think you'll be able to do it?😉

[quote] It is mankind‘s failure that causes the bad things in the Old Testament[/quote]

Sorry, but failure to live up to standard is NOT a sufficient justification for wholesale slaughter.
I think you maybe be missing the point i'm making. It's not that i don't understand the religious justification and rationalization.
What i'm asking is how could one love and respect someone, [i]anyone[/i] who has killed as many people as god has. Who has ordered the slaughter of human beings down to the last woman and child for [i]any[/i] reason.

Do you get it yet?
Maybe the judge is offering me a pardon but that same judge has done, ordered and condoned monstrous, [i]horrifying[/i] things. So do i respect that judge's judgement? Do i love him because he's offered mercy to me where he butchered so many?
Do you really not understand where i'm coming from here?

@Pikachu the problem is you have a talent for starting the wrong end of things -of wanting to continue with a problem when someone has found a solution. Society kills millions in abortion clinics which you no doubt agree with so why are you complaining?

@Pikachu
No offense Pikachu but God makes a point and I believe you missed that point in the Old Testament! But so do many non Christians! I read it all by myself as a child and God opened my eyes and I saw all the chances that God gave the people in the Bible when he didn't have to. I saw all the love he gave to the Jews and how he cared for them, and took them out of slavery and how he helped them win wars against stronger and more evil people who were against God. I believe God is much more patient than you or I with people.

@Speedyman

[quote]the problem is you have[/quote]

lol that still counts, bud.
I'm serious here, try it out. Two weeks, don't tell people that they have a problem. Just explain where you feel they are in error.
I dare you😉

[quote] wanting to continue with a problem when someone has found a solution.[/quote]

I think you're misidentifying the problem i'm having an issue with.
I think you are referring to the fact that jesus did his jesus thing and so we're saved? If that was not what you meant, please clarify now.
My issue is not with salvation, is how one can love a being who has committed such wholesale slaughter.
Can you share what the solution is to that?

[quote]Society kills millions in abortion clinics which you no doubt agree with so why are you complaining?[/quote]

I don't concede that a fetus is a person in any meaningful sense of the word.
I do consider the men, women and babies that god slaughtered and ordered butchered down to the last one standing to be people.

We can discuss that if you're interested.

@Carazaa

Oh don't get it twisted. The fact that god gives his people a million second chances was not lost on me.
But for me, that doesn't mitigate the wholesale slaughter by god's hand or orders.
If you meet a guy and he's so forgiving with you no matter how many mistakes you make....but he also goes and shoots up a school every now and then...do you love him?
Do you love him because he's good to you even though he's done such horrific shit?
That's the issue i struggle with.

Yet you support the slaughter of unborn children. How come? @Pikachu

@Pikachu I trust that God is just, and He has plainly warned that all nations who do not love the Lord will go into slavery. Their enemies will enslave them, and they will be cursed! Since he made us all and this beautiful world he must know what he's doing 🙂 I understand that for us to do something like kill people is terrible. But we're not talking about people! We are talking about a Holy God who has proven his love by coming down here and taking our beating for us!
Trust his heart!

@Speedyman

Sorry, you side stepped my question there. I'll repost it for your convenience so that you may answer it directly this time:

[quote]wanting to continue with a problem when someone has found a solution.[/quote]

[i][c=#BF0000]I think you're misidentifying the problem i'm having an issue with.
I think you are referring to the fact that jesus did his jesus thing and so we're saved? If that was not what you meant, please clarify now.
My issue is not with salvation, is how one can love a being who has committed such wholesale slaughter.
Can you share what the solution is to that?[/c][/i]

[quote]How come?[/quote]

Because they're not people. They have no qualities of personhood. At best they have autonomous nervous reactions with less self-awareness than a grasshopper.
Such a thing has no rights which could conceivably supersede those of the mother.
If you would like to argue the personhood of a fetus then do so.

But you and god both believed that the babies he killed by the tens of thousands were people, right? So there lays a moral problem. In fact the moral problem this thread is devoted to😉

@Speedyman Wow - that's a powerful response.

@Pikachu No, he addressed your complaint directly.
It is you doing the tap dancing.
I realize it's difficult for you to understand that you actually do NOT have all the answers.

Unless, you were simply baiting Christians to reply as you lay in wait to persecute them.

@Budwick

[quote]No, he addressed your complaint directly.[/quote]

Evidently i didn't recognize it as such.
But you seem to have so perhaps you would be so kind as to copy and paste it here.
Thanks🙂

@Pikachu Your problem is that you see things from the entirely wrong perspective.

The problem is that you can only see things from your own perspective. You need to take note of what other people are saying@Pikachu

@Budwick

lol didn't think you could.
Just trolling because i once upset you.

@Speedyman

The problem is that you ignore questions you don't want to answer.
Let's try again, shall we?

[quote]wanting to continue with a problem when someone has found a solution.
[/quote]
[i][c=#BF0000]I think you're misidentifying the problem i'm having an issue with.
I think you are referring to the fact that jesus did his jesus thing and so we're saved? If that was not what you meant, please clarify now.
My issue is not with salvation, is how one can love a being who has committed such wholesale slaughter.
Can you share what the solution is to that?
[/c][/i]

[quote]The problem is that you can only see things from your own perspective. You need to take note of what other people are saying[/quote]

Oh... you mean like when i say i don't consider a fetus a person for the given reasons and ask you to discuss it....and you ignore it in favor of repeating your own point of view?😏

You haven’t answered my question about the modern holocaust of unborn babies. @Pikachu

@Speedyman There is no modern "holocaust" of unborn babies, you lying swine, because it's not a "baby" until it's born. Calling an embryo a "baby" makes as much sense as calling a child an "adult" because one day, maybe he will become one. Why don't you talk about your desire to enslave women and force them to serve as subhuman incubators?

Vegans say "meat is murder" and decry the "holocaust" of millions of animals killed for human consumption. Their position makes as much sense as yours.

By the way, "Holocaust" refers to the deaths of six million Jews at the hands of the Nazis. Misappropriating that word for your own idiotic argument diminishes that tragedy, and could be viewed as antisemitic.

@Speedyman

[quote]You haven’t answered my question [/quote]

*sigh*

This is getting to look more than a little dishonest, speedy....

[c=#BF6900]You: Yet you support the slaughter of unborn children. How come?[/c]

[c=#800055]Me answering: Because they're not people. They have no qualities of personhood ... If you would like to argue the personhood of a fetus then do so.[/c]

Now if you would like to discuss that answer further then we can do so but i do insist that you show me you're treating me in good faith and finally answer my question:

[quote]wanting to continue with a problem when someone has found a solution.
[/quote]
[i][c=#BF0000]I think you're misidentifying the problem i'm having an issue with.
I think you are referring to the fact that jesus did his jesus thing and so we're saved? If that was not what you meant, please clarify now.
My issue is not with salvation, is how one can love a being who has committed such wholesale slaughter.
Can you share what the solution is to that?
[/c][/i]

Of course the fetus has personhood. You look at them and they are people. Yes people like you deny this because it is convenient for you because you want to support the modern Holocaust. Do you know more people are killed in the abortion clinics than any other place on the Earth yet people like you just want to continue with it. Your problem is you ignore the unpleasant things in life that atheism is brought@Pikachu