Do we need God for Morality? [Spirituality & Religion]

@canusernamebemyusername

Interesting idea. Suppose the christian would argue that since god created the tree, he's still the source.

@canusernamebemyusername 👍️ They didn't even do anything wrong by eating of the tree because, until they did, they had no concept of right and wrong.

@Pikachu I'm okay with a God being a first cause. But if you then apply that logic he is also the source of evil which some people just can't take.

@canusernamebemyusername [quote] the source of evil which some people just can't take.[/quote]
They don't believe the bible then - Isaiah 45:7

@Sharon Yeah that has been one of my arguements too. If disobeying God is evil how do even you know that unless you have knowledge of evil. I have thought for a long time it sounded like a setup.
If it was so dangerous why did God even put it there. People often invoke the parental role of God in that the child sound listen to the parent. But what parent puts something dangerous in front of the child and says no touching. If you are a good parent you don't put it in front of the child at all. Like did God not have anywhere else he could have put it.

@Sharon That is a fav verse of mine. Lol You can't have a monotheism if you belive in two creators. One for the good stuff and one for the evil stuff. I kind of agree with some of the early Christian sects that Christianity is polytheistic. Having good and evil in the same God is very very hard for most people. Thus they split him in two.
I know the feeling. I have hated and loved someone both at the same time. Really gives you a headache. Lol

@canusernamebemyusername 1 Samuel 16:14 is pretty good too. ;)

@Sharon I forgot about that one. But I have seen people make the excuse that that was the devil on God's orders.
That's like not blaming the person that hired the hit man.
Still doesn't make him not responsible.

@canusernamebemyusername
Every Christian knows that God created evil because He said he did. But the evil is not bad and destructive it is for good!

@Carazaa [quote]But the evil is not bad and destructive it is for good![/quote]
Do you mean there's good evil and bad evil? Is there also bad good as well as good good?

@canusernamebemyusername
No God gave orders and they didn't listen so then they understood Gods concequenses, the evil that was coming to them! Before they ate the Apple they had only known "good".

@Sharon There is evil from Satan! He will cause death! There is evil from God which causes repentance and life!

@Carazaa You really have to go all out to twist facts to fit your prejudices. :(

[quote]Before they ate the Apple they had only known "good".[/quote]
So, as I said, they couldn't know what they were doing was wrong. They even "knew" Satan was good.

@Sharon
They had enjoyed paradise with God. God told them to not eat from the tree of life! They disobeyed and then they understood what they had done! They were cast out of paradise. Doomed to death and separated from God forever as a human race! We are all doomed. God allowed that so we can understand the amazing love of God to rescue us and we can have paradise back because Jesus came to undo all our sins!

@Carazaa [quote]They disobeyed and then they understood what they had done! [/quote]
The point is, they could only know after the fact. Before that they couldn't do anything wrong because they had no concept of right and wrong. It really is that simple.

@Carazaa The tree they were forbidden to eat before the fall was the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. It was not until after they disobeyed that they were then barred from the Tree of Life, so as to prevent there ever being an immortal sinner.

@BiblicalWarrior I am not sure about that I'll have to study it again!

@BiblicalWarrior Yes, you are correct!