Do we need God for Morality? [Spirituality & Religion]

I don’t believe that slavery is okay as the Bible teaches that all men are equal in the eyes of God. I also believe that women can be teachers as the new Testament teaches that@Emosaur

You don’t even know what you believe@Emosaur

@Speedyman

[quote why is one morality any more relevant than another?[/quote]

Ah, you think that attributing morality to god solves this problem?
Incorrect.
Even if you say that god decrees this, this is still only relevant if we agree that what god wants is worthy of respect.
This is EXACTLY the same judgement that the atheist makes with respect to morality in terms of human well-being.
Well being is an incredibly useful standard for applying morality but exactly like a divine standard, it is only relevant if we agree on its importance.

The important thing is we find out which God is alive and well. For the atheist there’s is no logical point in morality. The morality you have does not come from atheism but the fact you are raised in a country with basically a Christian morals. Else see Nietzsche @Pikachu

@Speedyman

[quote] For the atheist there’s is no logical point in morality[/quote]

Incorrect. The pursuit of human well-being is very logical. I think perhaps you're conflating logic and object standard.

[quote]The morality you have does not come from atheism[/quote]

Correct.

[quote] but the fact you are raised in a country with basically a Christian morals[/quote]

Incorrect.
I think we already worked this point out in another thread. The fundamental morality which i possess is shared virtually everywhere and in ever culture.
Individual human rights vary with the time and culture but by and large, human morality is ubiquitous irrespective of the presence of a christian-oriented culture.

Your statements are totally illogical for an atheist. They actually come from Christian morality. They are not shared with every culture. It’s only because of yourR sheltered beak ground you believe that. Those of us who have travelled widely and experienced different cultures would differ with you from outer experience. You are a typical sheltered western atheist. @Pikachu

@Speedyman [quote]
They actually come from Christian morality.
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Funny those morality don't stop priests from raping boys or Christians hating non Christians.

For once, get your head out of the cloud. Half of the Bible talks about violence, slavery, genocide and even incest.

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It’s only because of yourR sheltered beak ground you believe that. Those of us who have travelled widely and experienced different cultures would differ with you from outer experience.
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That's a load of shit you're talking. You have absolutely have no idea about other cultures or outside world. You're brainwashed to think Christianity is the superior religion and rely on hatred on other people. If you actually travelled the world, you would know how peaceful religions like Buddhism is. But you just shut yourself in Bible and hate anyone who opposes you.

I’ll come on the same old rubbish which is trotted out on atheist website. You are talking a load of BS. If you are only taking to some parts of the world I have been taken you would see that things are not as you imagine so get out of your comfortable little world and see the world as it really is. You are the one who’s been brainwashed by your stupid atheism and a silly website you look at. Of course there are failures in Christianity but there is failures everywhere. We are talking about the new Testament in the teaching of Jesus Christ. Of course I’ve got an idea about other cultures us as I travel the whole world. I’ve also seen some of the other so-called peaceful religioha and I can assure you the6 are not as peaceful as you like to dream about. I’m afraid you are just shutting yourself off in a little atheist bubble and not facing the facts and what’s more you are projecting your own insecurities by accusing other people of doing so what you are actually doing yourself@JBird

@Speedyman [quote]
If you are only taking to some parts of the world I have been taken you would see that things are not as you imagine so get out of your comfortable little world and see the world as it really is.
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I [b]am considering[/b] every aspect. You're the one ignoring every possibilities

@Speedyman [quote]
You are the one who’s been brainwashed by your stupid atheism and a silly website you look at
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 What website? 😂😂😂 You don't need websites to understand the world. Just logic and observation

@Speedyman [quote]
I’ve also seen some of the other so-called peaceful religioha and I can assure you the6 are not as peaceful as you like to dream about.
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At least those religions don't have a God who makes a flood to kill the whole population.

@Speedyman [quote]
I’m afraid you are just shutting yourself off in a little atheist bubble and not facing the facts and what’s more you are projecting your own insecurities by accusing other people of doing so what you are actually doing yourself
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I think I have broken speedy.exe. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

You haven’t broken me but I think I’ve broken you. You have no argument whatsoever@JBird

@Speedyman your comments are just lies, cries and rantings over hatred for atheists and nothing sensible in it. Why should I argue with someone defeated and idiot like you? You just push away logic and reasoning and spew lies all over just to satisfy your hatred.

Not at all my comments are just the truth. It is not hatred to tell someone their thinking is totally wrong. The problem is you’re thinking is totally off him because you have accepted a lie. If you don’t want to argue with me then that’s fine by me but please don’t think it’s me who is doing the heating when it’s quite obvious from your comments that you are full of anger and hatred yourself@JBird

@JBird He would do well to listen to his own Bible:

[i]"The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps."

"The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice."

"The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool."

"Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people."

"Refrain from anger, and forsake wrath! Fret not yourself; it tends only to evil."

"Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”"

"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. It is better to be of a lowly spirit with the poor than to divide the spoil with the proud."

"Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves."

"Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted."

"There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers."[/i]

Religion can have great wisdom. But it takes common sense to seperate what is good from evil in it. As the Bard says: The devil (evil) can cite Scripture for his purpose. What one chooses to emphasize shows the content of a person's character.

@Speedyman [quote]
It is not hatred to tell someone their thinking is totally wrong.
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If it's not hatred, why do you get so mad when we contradict your beliefs? Why do you insult us?

Your truth can't even align to reality. You can't even prove your God is real. If I was living a lie, why I am still happy with my atheist life? Why I never saw God in my life? Why people are still suffering even they worship God?

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If you don’t want to argue with me then that’s fine by me but please don’t think it’s me who is doing the heating when it’s quite obvious from your comments that you are full of anger and hatred yourself
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Don't tell me what to think. I have enough sense to understand who's the real culprit over here.

@canusernamebemyusername not many religious go by that rule.

@JBird Sadly.

Hilarious. You are the ones putting hatred and you accuse others of it. Typical atheistic behaviour. Proves my whole point thatatheism is founded on emotion not intellectual reasoning @JBird

@Speedyman [quote]
Proves my whole point thatatheism is founded on emotion not intellectual reasoning
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This proves that you can lie without shame. Especially after when you said this.

"You are the ones putting hatred and you accuse others of it. Typical atheistic behaviour."

While you accuse me of having hatred, your next sentences reeks of the same hatred you mentioned. Why do you always contradict yourself? 😂😂😂 When you describe atheists, why does it sound like you're talking about you?

Sorry just proves your own lack of logic and inner reasoning. You have no clue about anything and yet you come on angrily attacking everything and then accuse other people of hatred. Real logic that. @JBird