Do we need God for Morality? [Spirituality & Religion]

@GodSpeed63 Because...? Perhaps a bit more detail would be helpful.

@GodSpeed63
Jesus set the standard Praise God!

@Carazaa @GodSpeed63 But other, non-Christian societies have morals. And saying that it's because God made it that way doesn't count, unless you can prove your point.

@Bushranger
Other societies have more suicides, poverty, corruption and diseases and famines than the most christian countries and I'm not talking about catholic countries!

@Carazaa Not necessarily. But, you have made a claim, can you support it with evidence?

@Bushranger
It is common knowledge that the western countries like England and Scandinavia are better in all respects to success than all the other non Christian countries. You can do the research! Why do the Muslim countries flee to the Christian?

Just been doing a bit of checking myself. If we look at suicide rates, it would appear that being a "Christian" country doesn't offer all that much proteciton: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Similarly, intentional homicide rates aren't that good, either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

An interesting piece on the topic: https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201103/misinformation-and-facts-about-secularism-and-religion

@Bushranger
The west is not very Christian any more that's why I have said it's catching up to the rest of the world!

@Carazaa And yet there are Christians who have converted to Islam. If it is common knowledge, you should be able to present links to information to confirm it.

@Carazaa nope, most African countries are Christian majority and knee deep in poverty

@Carazaa So what countries would you consider to be Christian?

@JBird no they are doing witchcraft but those who are Christians are doing better!

@Carazaa The United Kingdom (of which England is a part) had a suicide rate of 7.6 per 100,000, compared to Iran, which had a rate of 4.0 per 100,000 in 2017 (details in the links I provided above.) I don't think you'd call Iran a "Christian" country.

@Carazaa nope, they're born agains. They refuse to go to hospital and die of diseases. Most developed countries in the world have lesser number of religious people like Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Japan.

@Bushranger The UK is a very christian country, with the Head of the Church of England as Head of State.

@GodSpeed63

Do you only act morally because god wants you to?

@Pikachu [quote]Do you only act morally because god wants you to?[/quote]

No. I only act morally because that's how Yahweh created me to be.

@GodSpeed63 Yahweh, god, whatever. Do you read and follow every word of the bible?

@GodSpeed63

That's fine.
Then I act morally because i evolved as a social animal.

@Pikachu [quote]Then I act morally because i evolved as a social animal.[/quote]

Okay. Now explain to me how that all came about.

@GodSpeed63

Well you see, morality generally results in a benefit which allows a community of social creatures to successfully interact and prosper.
Those members of a species which exhibited a predisposition towards this sort of behaviour were disproportionately selected for over others and so it became part of our instinctual behaviour.

Simple.

@Pikachu [quote]Well you see, morality generally results in a benefit which allows a community of social creatures to successfully interact and prosper.
Those members of a species which exhibited a predisposition towards this sort of behavior were disproportionately selected for over others and so it became part of our instinctual behavior.[/quote]

You've said nothing. In other words, you don't know.

@GodSpeed63

I've explained the natural explanation for a predisposition towards moral behaviour.
Didn't you understand?

@Pikachu [quote]I've explained the natural explanation for a predisposition towards moral behavior.[/quote]

You left out a whole history of how our moral values came about. Where did that start? How was man able to receive and understand what they were?

@GodSpeed63

How does a monkey know when it's being treated unfairly? (and they do as shown in experiments)
These thing start as a predisposition and if they prove to be adaptive, they become encoded as instinct.
Which is of course not to say that morality is wholly instinctual. But there just isn't a good reason to introduce god.

If you disagree, then tell us why you feel there NEEDS to be a god in order for us to have morality.