Do we need God for Morality? [Spirituality & Religion]

Obviously the secular answer is a resounding NO.
But if you're a theist who says "yes", i want to hear your reasoning.

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Morality requires choice to be meaningful. If there are no pigs, then I'm really not engaging in moral action if my vow isn't to eat pigs.

It is the same with the religious argument that we can't be moral without a fear of being punished by God. It's not much of a choice. It is much like not engaging in something because of fearing imprisonment or of catching a beating.

To not hurt a person (as an example) because I might catch a beating or go to prison or have God punish me-- is barely ethical. It is risk management. It is selfish.

kodiac · 22-25, M

@CopperCicada If morality comes only from god then that shoots gaping holes in the free will argument doesn't it🤔

CopperCicada · M

@kodiac Well. That morality only comes from the fear of God model has a frightening flip side...

... the person who claims that is tacitly admitting they will do anything to you if they feel God demands it.

canusernamebemyusername · M

@CopperCicada That is exactly why that mentality scares me. It is them saying if it wasn't for God I'd kill you. I can't deal with that kind of instability.
Also laying down your life for another gets brought up a lot. I for one would do so if I could save people. Even an enemy. Religion isn't needed for any of that.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@canusernamebemyusername I've heard people say that before actually, it scares me too.