Some of you i've spoken to distrust science if it contradicts scripture. [Spirituality & Religion]

That ranges from simply trusting the bible over science to a conspiracy belief that scientists are deliberately lying.

My question is this: Can you name an example of a phenomenon which was thought to have a natural explanation but which was later found to have a supernatural one?
Because the reverse is what we have seen in every case so far: a phenomenon attributed to supernatural forces which is later discovered to have a natural explanation.

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Cutiepi23

Padre Pio had the stigmata wounds. He was examined by many doctors who couldnt give an explaination. He died in 1968 so it was not to far back for doctors to be mislead or tricked imo.

Pikachu

@Cutiepi23

1) the first hit on google says he used acid to make the wounds.
2) i've asked for examples of natural phenomena which later were proved to be have a supernatural explanation, not examples of things we attribute to the supernatural in absence of a natural explanation. I know that's a bit nuanced.

Cutiepi23

@Pikachu I don't think using acid could achieve those type of wounds. The acid would spread over his skin and over time it would effet his whole body and bones. However the wounds remained the same throughout his life. Im not one who believes easily but because this is fairly recent I tend to give it more credit.

Pikachu

@Cutiepi23

[quote] The acid would spread over his skin and over time it would effet his whole body and bones.[/quote]

That's not how acid works. It's just a chemical reaction at the site of contact and possibly a secondary reaction a little further along. It's not a pathogen or a cancer that spreads through different tissue or continues to degrade after the initial reaction has finished.

[quote]I don't think using acid could achieve those type of wounds. [/quote]

Forgive me if this sounds rude, but it doesn't sound like you're qualified to make that kind of judgement. Fair?

And remember my second point.

Cutiepi23

@Pikachu Your right Im not qualified. I also know your not rude. However if he was using acid over a lengthy time I honestly doubt it could make perfect marks. I understand what your saying how acid works. I think over time the secondary reaction would become more apparent. I guess in the case of Padre Pio its down to faith & belief. I'd hate to think he was a trickster so many people believe in him.

Pikachu

@Cutiepi23

[quote]. I'd hate to think he was a trickster so many people believe in him.[/quote]

Nobody wanted to believe that Peter Popoff was a fraud either...but then it turned out he was.
We must be careful about basing what we believe is true upon what we [i]want[/i] to be true.

Cutiepi23

@Pikachu I just read about peter popoff. Id never heard of him. 🤥
I know we must be careful. Its strange I feel a bit sad now thinking about Padre Pio. 😥

redredred · M

@Cutiepi23 Who chose the doctors and what were their names?

Pikachu

@Cutiepi23

[quote] Its strange I feel a bit sad now thinking about Padre Pio.[/quote]

And why wouldn't you? No one wants to believe ill of people we respected or liked.
lol that's why i try not to learn any personal information about actors whose work i enjoy.

Cutiepi23

@redredred I dont know. I am going to read and see whats said about it.https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-tmobile-gb&source=android-browser&q=what+doctors+examined+padre+pios+wounds

Cutiepi23

@Pikachu I am a crazy Elvis fan & after many years I read some unsavoury things about him. Just goes to show!