If you create a true artificial intelligence, are you morally justified in doing whatever you want to that creation? Can you hurt them if you want? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Carazaa

Why is that?
What is it about having created a person that you feel morally justifies harming that person if you so choose?

@Pikachu you can make the rules. If people won't follow the rules and they know they get the death penalty for killing foreinstance, is it wrong to carry that death penalty out?

@Carazaa

[quote] you can make the rules.[/quote]

Yes, you can make the rules.
That's not what i'm asking.
I'm asking how you, carazaa, justify the morality of harming a person at your whim on the basis that you created them.
Not necessarily because the punishment is proportional to the crime which you could argue for the death penalty, but simply because you are the creator.

@Pikachu The potter has more knowledge than the clay God says

[b]"O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay" [/b] Rom 9

@Carazaa

No, don't quote scripture to me.
I'm asking YOU.
WHY does the potter have the right, especially when his clay is a thinking, feeling person and not an inanimate object.
How do YOU, carazaa, morally justify harming a person on the basis that you have created them.

Can you justify that morally or can you not?
Is it a position you can defend or one that you can only assert?

@Pikachu
There is natural consequences for crimes. The state has the right to carry out death penalty for crimes. You do not understand that we do major crimes against humanity every day. Jesus says we kill in our hearts, and we are so sinful.

"[b]ALL sin leads to death"[/b]God says.

@Carazaa

There is a consequence for crime.
That's not what we're discussing. Allow me to bring us back to the subject:

We are discussing whether the fact that you have created a person gives you [i]moral[/i] justification is harming that person simply on the basis that you have created them.
You'll agree that simply having the ability to make rules does not mean that those rules are necessarily morally just.

[quote]Jesus says we kill in our hearts, [/quote]

A perfect example of a rule that is not necessarily just. If i tell my creation that i shall harm them if they even [i]think[/i] wrong thoughts, explain how i am morally justified in hurting them because i created them

How would YOU, carazaa, morally justify having the [i]right[/i] to harm a person simply on the basis that you had created them?

@Pikachu [b]Do we have the RIGHT to harm people[/b]! That is the question you are ignoring Pikachu!!!

@Carazaa

I don't think i'm ignoring that question. That is the very question i am attempting to address.
Do we have the RIGHT to harm people on the basis that we created them.

So....do we? If so, why? Why does creating a person mean we have the right to hurt them?

@Pikachu No! you ignore your own sin to justify yourself and find God guilty. Your logic is lacking!

@Carazaa

Sorry, you're losing me here.

You said i was ignoring the question "do we have the right to harm people".
I have explicitly stated that, that IS the question i'm asking.
This has nothing to do with me or any perceived justification on my part.

I'm asking you why being the creator of a person morally entitles you to hurt that person if they do not meet the demands you make.
You quoted the bible which spoke of THOUGHT CRIME. You may remember that, that is the same dystopian absurdity that made 1984 such a disturbing story.

Please, carazaa. Stop attacking me. It's rude.

@Pikachu People are rude and you are attacking God! That is rude! We are all rude. God is not!

@Carazaa

To you, god is above reproach.
To me, he/she/it is not.
No reason to get personally critical about it.

But it seems to me that you continue to avoid answering my question.

I'll ask it again here and i hope that you will either answer it or show me the respect of admitting that you refuse to answer it.

Are you morally right to make a person suffer on the basis that you have created them?

@Carazaa Why are you justifying sin? And attack God? Why are you focusing on God not our murders, and hate?

The real problem is not God but our hate murders and not taking responsibility for it!

@Carazaa

I'm not justifying sin. I [i]have[/i] pointed out that a rule set out by a creator is not inherently moral and you have made not rebuttal to that assertion.


Why are you refusing answer my question? Please show me the respect of directly addressing it. Please don't continue to ignore me.

Are you morally right to make a person suffer on the basis that you have created them?