Why did god let the devil serpent into the garden? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Deadcutie

Why set a test when you already know the outcome?
And is the test fair? With no knowledge of good and evil, how would eve know anything was wrong?

@Pikachu who said god knew the outcome? God warned them not to eat of the tree, that’s all they needed to know...

@Deadcutie

Depends if you believe the god of the bible is omniscient, i suppose.

[quote]that’s all they needed to know...[/quote]

But it isn't. They were innocent, without knowledge or understanding of good and evil.
So how could eve possible know that it was wrong to listen to what this new friend was telling her?

@Pikachu he is
Who said she was without knowledge?

@Deadcutie

The bible says it.
It's the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Neither adam nor eve possessed that knowledge until they ate.

@Pikachu if that’s what you think, Ok.. I stand by my statement

@Deadcutie

Well i'm open to an alternate interpretation and how you came by it.

@Pikachu no you aren't. I’m not gonna waste time to argue over your ignorance of the subject matter

@Deadcutie

I thought we were having a fun discussion.
Guess i was wrong.

I just asked you to share your interpretation, fuck me right?😆

@Pikachu I did share my interpretation, I’m not going to argue over yours..

@Deadcutie

Read my the tagline on my profile, love😉
Remember it for next time.

@Pikachu I did defend it, your ignorance refuses to accept it. That’s on you, not me..

@Deadcutie

Well maybe i'm not giving you enough credit here.
You asked me "Who said she was without knowledge?" and i pointed out that it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil so how could they have known it was wrong.

I'm interested in hearing why you think even should have had knowledge of good and evil before she ate the fruit. How would she have known it was wrong?

@Pikachu no I was simply pointing out your assumptions that they had no knowledge. You do not know what they did and didn’t know..or what god had revealed to them at that point.. maybe they needed to learn basic math before learning geometry.....

@Deadcutie

[quote]that they had no knowledge[/quote]

But that is [i]not[/i] my assumption. My assumption is that they had no knowledge of [i]good and evil[/i] and i have given my reasoning for this assumption.
What reasoning leads you to believe that they [i]did[/i] have knowledge of good and evil?

@Pikachu I told you, I’ll tell you again.. god said do not eat of that tree.. they had the knowledge that god did not want them to eat of that tree.. you obviously aren’t listening to me, so why should I even bother? You’re in it for the argument..

@Deadcutie

[quote]they had the knowledge that god did not want them to eat of that tree.[/quote]

But if they had no knowledge of good and evil, how would they know it was wrong not to do what god said?

Debating is fun for me. If you're not having fun then feel free to excuse yourself.

@Pikachu it’s not about wrong/right, it’s about obeying..
A young child is not going to understand wrong from the rights in this world, however they can understand when a parent warns them that something is dangerous to them, don’t do it..
God warned them eating that tree would be the death of them, and it was

Why debate the Bible, why don’t you just stick to atheism and evolution topics

@Deadcutie

[quote]it’s not about wrong/right, it’s about obeying..[/quote]

I disagree. Knowing right from wrong is the [i]entire[/i] point.
Remember: you said that god was testing Eve and so we're discussing whether it is a FAIR test.
If Eve does not know that not obeying is [i]wrong[/i] then how is she being tested? After all, Eve didn't just give god the finger and eat anyway, no. She was [i]convinced[/i] by the serpent that she would be alright.
She was an innocent with no concept of right and wrong and she was convinced by a malicious entity to do it.

Since you raise the comparison to a child, let's pursue that.
A child may or may not heed the warning of a parent not to do something they've been told is dangerous.
But if another adult convinces that child that it's actually ok, are you going to blame the child for that?
Of course not! No good parent would.

@Pikachu well your welcome to that reasoning , I don’t

@Deadcutie

Thanks. I think it's quite logically coherent.🙂

@Pikachu you may think that but your wrong on many levels...

@Deadcutie

You may think that, but your inability to actually demonstrate flaws in my reasoning suggests otherwise.

@Pikachu I did suggest flaws in your reasoning, you just are to proud of yourself to listen

@Deadcutie

Uh,,,no you didn't. You made an assertion which you failed to support and then used an anology which i promtly turned on its head. At that point you retreated

But if you think you can actually demonstrate flaws then go ahead and address the flaws in my reasoning of the last post i made on the subject.
Here, i'll post it for your convenience:

[quote]it’s not about wrong/right, it’s about obeying..[/quote]

I disagree. Knowing right from wrong is the entire point.
Remember: you said that god was testing Eve and so we're discussing whether it is a FAIR test.
If Eve does not know that not obeying is wrong then how is she being tested? After all, Eve didn't just give god the finger and eat anyway, no. She was convinced by the serpent that she would be alright.
She was an innocent with no concept of right and wrong and she was convinced by a malicious entity to do it.

Since you raise the comparison to a child, let's pursue that.
A child may or may not heed the warning of a parent not to do something they've been told is dangerous.
But if another adult convinces that child that it's actually ok, are you going to blame the child for that?
Of course not! No good parent would.

Well?