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Carazaa · F
These are Gods words
ROMANS 9:6-26
[b]God’s Sovereign Choice
6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[b] 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”[c]
10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”[i]
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ROMANS 9:6-26
[b]God’s Sovereign Choice
6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[b] 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”[c]
10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
19 One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”[h] 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea:
“I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people;
and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”[i]
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GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Carazaa · F
@Sharon
The evidence is the prophesies coming true, the eye witnesses who talked with God and died for their testimonies, the world we look at, the miracles he does every day, the Holy Spirit in peoples changed hearts. Its about faith. Read the entire Bible asking God for wisdom and be open for Gods leading and you will be moved.
The evidence is the prophesies coming true, the eye witnesses who talked with God and died for their testimonies, the world we look at, the miracles he does every day, the Holy Spirit in peoples changed hearts. Its about faith. Read the entire Bible asking God for wisdom and be open for Gods leading and you will be moved.
Sharon · F
@Carazaa [quote]Its about faith. [/quote]
That's all it is. There is no real evidence that I'm aware of to support any of those claims. None of the so-called "eye witnesses" are alive to confirm what you claim they saw. One could just as well claim there are thousands of eye witnesses (all since deceased) who saw the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
That's all it is. There is no real evidence that I'm aware of to support any of those claims. None of the so-called "eye witnesses" are alive to confirm what you claim they saw. One could just as well claim there are thousands of eye witnesses (all since deceased) who saw the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Sharon · F
@Carazaa [quote]Eye witness is enough evidence in courts today.[/quote]
That's true but there are no living eye witnesses to the events you claim are true. All you have is hearsay, which [b]is not[/b] accepted by courts.
Once again, [b]there is no real evidence[/b] to support your claims, all you have is faith. That may be good enough for you but I prefer hard, demonstrable, facts.
That's true but there are no living eye witnesses to the events you claim are true. All you have is hearsay, which [b]is not[/b] accepted by courts.
Once again, [b]there is no real evidence[/b] to support your claims, all you have is faith. That may be good enough for you but I prefer hard, demonstrable, facts.
Carazaa · F
@SharonThen I say you don't really want truth. Not the way I want truth. God tells us how it is, and I believe you and most don't want to hear it because we are ugly, and we want to hear nice things about ourselves. If you really wanted truth you would listen to people who are saved, you would read the Bible 10 hrs a day like I have for years when I was a teen. You would ask God on your knees for truth. And truth [b]would [/b]set you free! I will send you a new ager who was a millionaire who gave it all up when he found truth.
Sharon · F
@Carazaa [quote]Then I say you don't really want truth. Not the way I want truth.[/quote]
I would say the same of you. Obviously we have different definitions of "truth". I do listen to people who can support what they claim with evidence. I don't need faith when I have real, verifiable evidence. It is that which has set me free to learn.
I would say the same of you. Obviously we have different definitions of "truth". I do listen to people who can support what they claim with evidence. I don't need faith when I have real, verifiable evidence. It is that which has set me free to learn.
JesusChrist · 100+, M
These are men's words. With the false modesty of their grandiose claims of being words of God. Why do you cling to them? Why do you Idolize these words? Why do you Idolize the men who wrote them? Why are you so blind to those that you Idolize? Idolaters of Men, idolaters of their Words, and, with all the certainty which you hold on to them, Idolaters of Yourselves.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Carazaa [quote]No it was a boy who was a new ager and was born again and shared that.[/quote]
That's always good news sister. Thank you for sharing it.
That's always good news sister. Thank you for sharing it.
Sharon · F
@Carazaa [quote]No it was a boy who was a new ager and was born again and shared that.[/quote]
So he claims. There are lots of Atheists who used to be christians. I know some people will say they couldn't have been real christians (the "no true Scotsman" fallacy). By the same token, that boy was never a real New Ager.
So he claims. There are lots of Atheists who used to be christians. I know some people will say they couldn't have been real christians (the "no true Scotsman" fallacy). By the same token, that boy was never a real New Ager.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@Sharon [quote]There are lots of Atheists who used to be Christians.[/quote]
There are no such people that are atheists and no skeptics that were ever really Christian. They may have been religious at one point but never a true believer in Christ. I told you this before, atheists belong in the ground under their headstones. Since you're alive, you'll believe in any idol and have faith that in idol.
There are no such people that are atheists and no skeptics that were ever really Christian. They may have been religious at one point but never a true believer in Christ. I told you this before, atheists belong in the ground under their headstones. Since you're alive, you'll believe in any idol and have faith that in idol.
Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63 [quote] Since you're alive, you'll believe in idol and have faith in idol.[/quote]
Wrong again! You've been told loads of times but it doesn't sink in. Once again, Atheists have no gods. I am such a person and the fact that I'm replying is proof I'm alive. It doesn't matter how much you deny the truth, you can't change it, you just make yourself look more foolish each time.
Wrong again! You've been told loads of times but it doesn't sink in. Once again, Atheists have no gods. I am such a person and the fact that I'm replying is proof I'm alive. It doesn't matter how much you deny the truth, you can't change it, you just make yourself look more foolish each time.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@GodSpeed63 [quote]There are no such people that are atheists[/quote]
I’ll walk you through this again...
1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)
So, according to you I don’t exist.
I’ll walk you through this again...
1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)
So, according to you I don’t exist.
@GodSpeed63
[quote]Whatever.[/quote]
[c=#804600]godpseed: there's no such thing as an atheist because they all believe in a god of some kind![/c]
[c=#003BB2]everyone: explain how valuing money or power or food over god denotes a belief that, that replacement is a deity.[/c]
[c=#804600]
godspeed: YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD, I SAID SO[/c]
[c=#003BB2]everyone:[/c] 😆😂😭
and you wonder why people call you dishonest
[quote]Whatever.[/quote]
[c=#804600]godpseed: there's no such thing as an atheist because they all believe in a god of some kind![/c]
[c=#003BB2]everyone: explain how valuing money or power or food over god denotes a belief that, that replacement is a deity.[/c]
[c=#804600]
godspeed: YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD, I SAID SO[/c]
[c=#003BB2]everyone:[/c] 😆😂😭
and you wonder why people call you dishonest
Carazaa · F
@GodSpeed63
Yes I think it is a beautiful video. And there are so many muslims, scientists, and atheists who God has touched and changed their hearts forever. I will copy more videos especially born again scientists and atheists.
God made Europe rich and now they have forgotten God and it is going down unless people pray.
Yes I think it is a beautiful video. And there are so many muslims, scientists, and atheists who God has touched and changed their hearts forever. I will copy more videos especially born again scientists and atheists.
God made Europe rich and now they have forgotten God and it is going down unless people pray.
Carazaa · F
@Sharon the "no scotsman's fallacy" is a Satanic lie! He is born again how can we tell? Because he couldn't continue with his lies anymore even if it made him rich. When you are born again it changes you, you give away your money you cant have a dishonest profession no matter how much money you make. He is born again.
Carazaa · F
@JesusChrist
Why do I cling to these words? Why do I idolize the words in the Bible? Good question! Because they are God! Because God has changed my heart and I am born again, He has revealed truth to me, He helps me! I would die defending them!
"The word was in the beginning and the word became flesh and dwelled among us." John 1:1
"And the word was God!" John 1 (I think it is verse 11)
Why do I cling to these words? Why do I idolize the words in the Bible? Good question! Because they are God! Because God has changed my heart and I am born again, He has revealed truth to me, He helps me! I would die defending them!
"The word was in the beginning and the word became flesh and dwelled among us." John 1:1
"And the word was God!" John 1 (I think it is verse 11)
Carazaa · F
@Pikachu Everyone idolizes something. Something that we put first in our lives. God wants us to put Him first, and treat others the way we want to be treated. In Gods eyes anything that we love more than God becomes a god. It could be science, money, people, education, power, fame, or self. We are made to worship, and feel an emptiness when we don't, and then we try to fill that void with something. That something is never as satisfying as God.
When God takes first place it is then that we are the most blessed and free. It benefits us to do that. When we put our trust in Him, he handles things for us. Then our faith grows!
When God takes first place it is then that we are the most blessed and free. It benefits us to do that. When we put our trust in Him, he handles things for us. Then our faith grows!
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