Is the god of the bible a moral being? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Qwerty14

lol i thought the baby hitler idea would come up.

Still no.
You don't have to kill baby hitler to prevent him from doing what he did.
Supposing that you had pre-knowledge of what hitler would do, you could still, for example, kidnap him and raise him in a Buddhist monastery or a cabin in the woods where he would have no reason or ability to do what he did.

@Qwerty14 I would never kill a baby, not even a Hitler baby, I would kill 20 year old Hitler in his sleep tho.

@Pikachu Kidnapping is still immoral. But you're changing the hypothetical to suit you. I'm not giving you another way. You either kill baby Hitler and stop WWII, saving millions of lives, or do nothing and let history play out. What do you do?

@DunDunDun Murder is immoral no matter the age. How does killing a 20yo Hitler differ to baby Hitler?

@Qwerty14

[quote] But you're changing the hypothetical to suit you[/quote]

I'm not changing a thing. The hypothetical is, is killing baby hitler moral.
My answer is no.

If you don't know what hitler will become then killing a baby is immoral.
If you DO know what hitler will become then it is STILL immoral because you could choose an option which does not take the life of a baby.

@Pikachu No I'm saying you have no other choices. Just either kill the baby and save millions or let history play out. Pick one or the other. Which do you pick?

@Qwerty14

Well then i'd kill him or at least that's what i'd think i should do.

So what comment do you feel that makes on the subject of this thread?

@Pikachu Just highlighting how the decision to kill someone to save others is always a tough one with grey areas.

But technically none of this matters as God is the definer of what is morally right and therefore nothing he does can be considered immoral.

@Qwerty14

[quote] Just highlighting how the decision to kill someone to save others is always a tough one with grey areas. [/quote]

No you're not.
You're forcing a binary outcome where one need not exist.

I played your game, now you play mine.
If you don't know what hitler will become then killing a baby is immoral.
If you DO know what hitler will become then it is STILL immoral because you could choose an option which does not take the life of a baby.

Is it moral to kill baby hitler?

@Pikachu Oh I'd never kill anyone for any reason. But that's just me lol

@Qwerty14

No, no.

You have to answer the question just as you made me answer.
I haven't asked you whether you would kill. I asked you whether it was a moral act.

So. Is it?

Killing baby Hitler would save the lives of many other babies and children.

@Entwistle

Certainly.
But as i pointed out:

If you don't know what hitler will become then killing a baby is immoral.
If you DO know what hitler will become then it is STILL immoral because you could choose an option which does not take the life of a baby.


So is it moral to kill baby hitler?

@Pikachu You have just answered your own question.

@Entwistle

Well yeah.
It's one of the suppositions of my syllogism that killing a baby is never moral for any reason.

But you pointed out that killing baby hitler would save numerous other babies.
I am pointing out that killing baby hitler is not necessary and therefore not moral.

@Pikachu Then upon reflection I agree with you.

@Entwistle

lol i have no experience on how to respond to that statement on the internet.

@Pikachu Do I personally see killing anyone to be morally right? No. Does that mean I see God as killing anyone morally wrong? Nope. And I also agree that killing someone to save millions is a pretty just reason.

So long story short: I'd never kill Hitler but if someone did I wouldn't blame them.

@Qwerty14

[quote]Does that mean I see God as killing anyone morally wrong?[/quote]

So then describe a situation where god killing millions of babies is a morally justifiable action.

I posit that unless we throw out the notion of an omnipotent, infallible god as he is believed to be in christianity, then there IS no morally justifiable reason from him to kill babies.

[quote]but if someone did I wouldn't blame them.[/quote]

Why not?

The choices are
a) you don't know what hitler will do and it is therefor immoral to kill him as a baby or
b) you do know what hitler will become and you can choose an option which does not require murdering a baby.

So why wouldn't you blame them?
This is the same question again. By saying you wouldn't blame them, you're validating their act.
So are you validating an immoral act or do you believe it is moral?

@Qwerty14 What's the difference between killing a baby and an adult? Is that a serious question? No one should seriously have to explain to you what the difference is there.

@Qwerty14 "Oh I'd never kill anyone for any reason. But that's just me lol" So if you had a child, and you knew that if you didn't kill someone, then that person would slowly torture your child to death, you'd just be like, "No, KILLING IS WRONG REGARDLESS! I don't care if my child get slowly tortured to death."

@Pikachu I can believe something is immoral but also logical. Killing one to save millions is unquestionably the logical move. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

As I said before, God is the definition of morality in these religions thus can't be immoral. He is judge and knows right from wrong. His actions must be right or he wouldn't do them. That's why we have a character like Satan in the bible who questions God for us.

@DunDunDun There is no difference. A life is a life. Now the child scenario falls under a couple of interesting loopholes which we could get into but you gotta stop with the condescending tone if you wanna do that haha

@Qwerty14 No difference between a murderous adult who's about to start killing people and an innocent baby who's never done anything to hurt anyone and barely even knows what's going on around them? Yeah okay

@Qwerty14 "As I said before, God is the definition of morality in these religions thus can't be immoral. He is judge and knows right from wrong. His actions must be right or he wouldn't do them." Yeah okay lmao.