Evolution: is it necessary to know how life ultimately began in order to study and debate the evidence that evolution has since occurred? [Spirituality & Religion]
If you think it is, why do you think so? Can you explain that reasoning for me?
I ask because i've encountered a creationist's position that the evidence for evolution can be ignored if we don't know how life began. I point out that the theory of gravitation still allows us to study the interactions of matter without knowing how it came to be but this apt comparison appears to be ignored.
Since i've received no explanation from the parties involved, i'm coming to YOU! So. Thoughts?🙂
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This is a pretty dumb question to occur under spirituality and religion as I would've thought it was better to come under science. Seems very dishonest to put it in here. Unless you find out how things started then your theory of evolution grinds to a halt. Of course we all know the theory of natural selection is true but that was known hundreds of years before Darwin anyway by anyone who would bred animals . We know that animals and bugs adapt to their situation within their own species . But of course to say all this happened without a creator unless you can prove how life actually began with nonliving matter magically forming itself into highly complicated living cells - more complicated than we can manufacture - then your Darwinian theories are a nonstarter . Three strikes and you're out mate straight away ! One for putting it here ! One for repeating yourself ! One for getting it completely wrong ! 😄
Abiogenesis addresses how life began, and evolution addresses what happens [i]after life has begun[/i]
If you deny evolution then you must be denying that life began.
Is that your contention... that life didn’t begin?
Breeders were aware that they could change their existing stock by using [i]artificial[/i] selection, but it took Darwin to understand that Natural Selection could operate simply because of the nature of Nature within a constantly changing environment. Further, he was the first to garner direct and demonstrable evidence of that process (a 20-year undertaking), and he was certainly the first to demonstrate how wide-ranging that process had become.
Oh for goodness sake people are known about natural selection for years before your demi-god Darwin. You still blabber on about the same thing without realising apparently that unless the thing started it couldn't happen. Can't you get into your tiny mind unless something starts it cannot happen? Unless my car starts I cannot go on a journey. I would've thought that his logic even to you@newjaninev2
@Speedyman Evolution was considered long before Darwin... even the ancient Greeks kicked the idea around from time to time. They understood that such a process might exist, but had absolutely no comprehension of the mechanism that might drive it. Evolution by Natural Selection was Darwin’s great triumph... identifying the [i]mechanism[/i] that drives the process.
I see you’re now insisting that there’s no life on Earth.
@Speedyman The thing about science is we can honestly say we dont have the answer, yet. Its hokey religions that pretend to have all the answers, but we arent allowed to see the proof. Peddling snake oil again Speedy?
@Speedyman [quote] But of course to say all this happened without a creator unless you can prove how life actually began with nonliving matter magically forming itself into highly complicated living cells - more complicated than we can manufacture - then your Darwinian theories are a nonstarter .[/quote] Of course, by that same argument, unless you can show where that creator came from, you creationist idea is also a non-starter.
I'm happy to say for the sake of argument that god started life out if that allows you to move past this roadblock of yours so that you can actually debate the evidence with me.
But i suspect you don't really want to get into a debate about the evidence with me because then you'd actually have to make your case rather than make insults.
Still, i'm offering you the chance to prove what kind of person you are. Show us you have some intellectual integrity. Or show us that you're more concerned with being right than an honest dialogue.
[quote]Funny how you guys can never say anything intelligent[/quote]
There was a specific question in this thread, speedy. In all that writing, you haven't attempted to answer it. Do so now.
Here, i'll repost it for your convenience:
[quote]Evolution: is it necessary to know how life ultimately began in order to study and debate the evidence that evolution has since occurred? [/quote]
There are many holes in the so-called Darwinian theory of evolution. The only thing that is certain about it is that species develop within themselves Which was known long before Darwin and is ironically mentioned in Genesis one anyway@Pikachu
@Speedyman Oh, well, let’s look at a few of those holes in the Theory, shall we?
Go ahead and list them, and we’ll see if we can work through them.
Incidentally, I can’t work out what you mean when you say that’species develop within themselves’. Could you perhaps cast some clarity around that?
Evolution was suggested as far back as the ancient Greeks, but the mechanism that drives the process was unknown. It was Darwin who not only identified Natural Selection as the [i]mechanism[/i] that drives the [i]process[/i], but also spent 20 years harvesting a wealth of evidence from which he developed his breakthrough
There was a specific question in this thread, speedy. In all that writing, you haven't attempted to answer it. Do so now.
Here, i'll repost it for your convenience:
[quote]Evolution: is it necessary to know how life ultimately began in order to study and debate the evidence that evolution has since occurred?[/quote]
@Speedyman Speedy. You got nothing. Just fairytales. And even if you did have a point, it boils down to a racist homophobic psychotic who gets his jollys torturing individuals and doing the global equivalent of blowing up ants nests for fun, while getting off on people getting down on their knees and singing at him. If you are correct, this guy should be getting professional help, not being worshipped. So either way, you lose. 😉
It was coming on here just to see the ignorance there is out there from people like you . Well the good book has got a word for people like you : The fool has said in his heart there is no God. Got your number completely mate. Now if you might do a bit of research and get a bit of education on that subject instead of gullibly listening to equally ignorant people, you might come to a different conclusion. Not meeting who loses mate, it's you. Both ways. . @whowasthatmaskedman
@Speedyman I have done quite a bit research, looking for a loophole you might say. Actually, Buddhism makes more sense than anything else. The idea that everything is part of the God and god is part of everything, so respecting everything is respecting god, including yourself, does have some appeal. Certainly more than the twaddle you confess to believe, distorted by your own bigotry and hate. You really should look into it. A little enlightening wouldnt do you any harm at all.😉
