Evolution: is it necessary to know how life ultimately began in order to study and debate the evidence that evolution has since occurred? [Spirituality & Religion]
If you think it is, why do you think so? Can you explain that reasoning for me?
I ask because i've encountered a creationist's position that the evidence for evolution can be ignored if we don't know how life began. I point out that the theory of gravitation still allows us to study the interactions of matter without knowing how it came to be but this apt comparison appears to be ignored.
Since i've received no explanation from the parties involved, i'm coming to YOU! So. Thoughts?🙂
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@newjaninev2 [quote]One day I may find evidence, because I continue to search, rather than stagnate inside a straitjacket of pretense and puffery[/quote]
Then why do I keep seeing that straitjacket on you every time I see you? You may be stagnate and puffed up, but don't try to presume that I'm that way. Okay?
Let me put it to you this way. I don't have to find evidence that my God, Yahweh, lives. It's all around me. I would like to discover through science how He made everything beautiful and how He's made it all work.
You, on the other hand, are stagnate in your endless search to find, God knows what, in order to prove yourself right instead of proving what God has already established to be the truth in science.
@GodSpeed63 [quote]I don't have to find evidence[/quote]
If you want to make claims about it, and especially if you want to make claims about its influence on the physical universe... then you [i]do[/i] need to find evidence.
@GodSpeed63 1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists) 2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere) 3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away. 4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)
Where in there can you find a claim that gods don’t exist?
@newjaninev2 [quote]1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists) 2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere) 3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away. 4. therefore, I have no gods (I’m an agnostic atheist)[/quote]
1. you're right , there is no proof that gods exist, but there is evidence that the one true God, Yahweh, lives. You're part of that evidence.
2. You're right again, there is no proof that gods don't exist but we're discussing the one true God, Yahweh, who lives forever. He doesn't have to prove Himself to anybody. He lives outside of time and space.
3. You're right again, postulating gods is a waist of time and money. Yahweh always hated postulating by man made organized religions. He'd rather His creation gets to know Him through our love for Him since He first loved us.
4. Therefore, you do. Anything and everything can be your god. Whatever takes the place of God, Yahweh, on the throne of your heart, not your heart of flesh, is your god and you have faith in that god.
When Yahweh first created man kind, He put the desire into each and everyone of us to seek Him out. This is why we have so many religions and people find other ways to deal with their suffering in this fallen world of ours. So, like the rest of us, you're not an atheist being that you have that desire to seek out God within you.
@Girlyfriendcollecting [quote]no because we can understand evolution and not know the first link of how first living thing started.[/quote] Even more importantly, we can [i]study[/i] evolution without having every historical detail ahead of time - which is never going to happen. The part a lot of people miss is that science is a [i]process[/i].
