Evolution: is it necessary to know how life ultimately began in order to study and debate the evidence that evolution has since occurred? [Spirituality & Religion]

@GodSpeed63

Bird wing claws, ERVs, mammalian inner ear bones, human chromosome 2, ontogenetic embryology, phylogeny and so on and so forth.

@Pikachu [quote]Bird wing claws, ERVs, mammalian inner ear bones, human chromosome 2, ontogenetic embryology, phylogeny and so on and so forth.[/quote]

Won't wash. That's all misinterpretation of science.

@GodSpeed63

I'm afraid you must provide proof for that claim before we can throw out the scientific consensus on the subject.

I'm happy to hear your specific criticisms regarding said misinterpretations and we can discuss how the evidence is better explained by creation.

Would you like to start with Bird claws as a direct link to saurian ancestry?
Perhaps the presence of reptilian DNA in the modern chicken? Why not the clear progression between reptilian jaw bones to mammalian inner ear bones.
I'm eager to hear your justification for characterizing these as misinterpretations.

Ready when you are🙂

@Pikachu [quote]I'm afraid you must provide proof for that claim before we can throw out the scientific consensus on the subject.[/quote]

You know I've already done that, otherwise we wouldn't be having these conversations. Let's see some real evidence from your claims this time. Okay?

@GodSpeed63

[quote]You know I've already done that, otherwise we wouldn't be having these conversations.[/quote]

I promise you that i do not know that.
To my knowledge you have never been able to provide proof for your claim of misinterpretation.

In the interest of direct, polite and good-faith debate, you may do so now.

@Pikachu [quote]I promise you that i do not know that.[/quote]

You don't know that? You've commented on that evidence plenty of times. Are you sure you're not suffering memory loss. I'm asking this as a concern and not mocking you.

@GodSpeed63


Whether you mean that out of genuine concern or whether you are in fact feigning concern to disguise spitefulness, it's still an insulting thing to ask.

Instead of questioning my memory, show me your integrity.
Make explicit your proofs that the evidence for evolution which i have listed is misinterpreted.

@Pikachu [quote]Whether you mean that out of genuine concern or whether you are in fact feigning concern to disguise spitefulness, it's still an insulting thing to ask.[/quote]

You can take my concern for you any way you want but don't come to me and tell me that you have no clue of me revealing the evidence of God, Yahweh,'s work in this world or answer questions the best I could on the subject. If you can't accept anything I've shown you or any answers I've given you, that's your choice. Just don't feign memory loss when we come together to discuss the issues at hand.

@GodSpeed63

Perhaps there has been some miscommunication here.

I'm not asking you to provide proof of your claim regarding the existence of your god. We can discuss that later if you like.

No, i am referring to your assertion that the evidence indicating that evolution has occurred is misinterpreted by the scientists.
You must provide evidence for that claim.

In the interest of direct, polite and good-faith debate, you should do so now.🙂

@Pikachu I already gave you some suggestions for misinterpretation that you are asking Godspeed about! like the animals that are between a fish and a mamal was maybe created, and then extinct. There is [b]no[/b] proof that animal had evolved! If that is evolution it would be still going on, so where is the proof of evolution now!

@Carazaa

That's not a suggestion of how the evidence was misinterpreted though. You're not saying "here is where they made a mistake".
You're just saying maybe it was misinterpreted.
You dig?

[quote] If that is evolution it would be still going on, so where is the proof of evolution now![/quote]

How about the wing claws of some modern birds?
That seems to be exactly what you're talking about: A modern animal which still possess the elements of an earlier evolutionary stage.
You keep talking about an "apeman" well, that right there is a "reptilebird".

@GodSpeed63

Perhaps there has been some miscommunication here.

I'm not asking you to provide proof of your claim regarding the existence of your god. We can discuss that later if you like.

No, i am referring to your assertion that the evidence indicating that evolution has occurred is misinterpreted by the scientists.
You must provide evidence for that claim.

In the interest of direct, polite and good-faith debate, you should do so now.🙂

@Pikachu Or monotremes. Now there's an interesting mix of characteristics.

@Bushranger Aren’t they just! A medley of everything! Of course, you Aussies try to keep them all to yourselves (OK, you grudgingly shared them with New Guinea)

How about sending a few over here, instead of deporting our criminals back to us?

It’s sort of uncomfortable to imagine all their attributes applied to humans...

@newjaninev2 Yeah, damn PNG taking our echidna. You can't complain too much, what with your tuatara, kakapo and weta. Sorry about the crims, but hey, just sending them back home lol.

@Bushranger If I were uncharitable I’d say that it seems bit strange for Australia to be [i]exporting[/i] criminals... but of course I’d never say such a thing :-)

@newjaninev2 Don't forget that we started as a penal colony and it worked out pretty good. Just trying to give you lot a bit of a leg up lol.

@Bushranger Started?

@newjaninev2 Well if you stopped sending your crooks over here, we could go straight, lol.

@Bushranger Would you like to borrow Jacinda? She’ll soon set the country to rights, Hun.

@newjaninev2 Wish we could. Our current crop is pretty damn ineffectual.

Still, I'm currently sitting in my motorhome in one of South Australia's lesser known opal fields, so life ain't too bad, lol.

@Bushranger Living the dream!