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What is belief in God? You may know OF Him, but do you actually KNOW Him? [Spirituality & Religion]

Can a person believe in some sense, but not be saved?

There are different levels of belief, and different objects of belief, and not all that’s called “belief” is actually saving faith. James 2:19 says, “You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.” So, if a person simply believes that there is a God in heaven—and that’s the extent of his faith—then he has exactly the same faith as the demons of hell. That’s not saving faith, even though it involves a measure of belief. Therefore, yes, a person can “believe” in some sense, but not be saved.

Believing is so much more than head knowledge. It is Heart knowledge, and a desire to turn from your sins and follow Jesus. It’s like the husband who desires and believes that his wife has given full commitment and love to him, and not just half her heart, however, the real proof, is in her actions, which reflect what’s truly in her heart for her husband. The manner in which we talk and conduct our daily lives...the way we love and serve Jesus after we are saved, reflects our love for Him. Someone who loves Jesus, does not serve Him out of obligation, but from the deep love, he or she feels in their heart for Him.

It is quite possible for a person to have an initial positive response to the gospel without being saved. He may feel his heart stirred at the stories about Jesus. He may even identify with Christ through baptism and church membership and get involved in ministry—all the while not being born again. We see instances of this in Scripture (Matthew 7:21–23; 13:24–30) and in everyday life.

We can illustrate the disconnect between some kinds of “belief” and saving faith this way: many Americans are overweight, and at the same time there are thousands of weight-loss products available. People will see an infomercial about the latest home exercise equipment, and they say, “That’s just what I need!” and they buy the equipment. They receive their purchase and eagerly use it—for a couple of weeks. Six months later it’s back in the box packed away somewhere. What happened? They believed in a product, but it wasn’t the type of belief that led to lower body weight. Nothing really changed in their lives. They had an initial positive response, but rather than possessing genuine “faith,” so to speak, they were merely indulging a passing fancy. People do this with Christ as well (see Matthew 13:5–7).

In Matthew 7:21–23 Jesus says, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” Notice here that these people were actively involved in ministry, but they were not genuine believers. They had faith of a sort—they acknowledged who Jesus is—but they had no relationship with Him. Jesus does not say that at one time He knew them, but then He later rejected them. No. He says, “I never knew you.” In other words, they were never saved to begin with!

Even Judas is never presented as a disciple who lost his salvation; rather, he is one who had never truly believed unto salvation (see John 6:64).

God knows our hearts. We, however, cannot see the hearts of other people, and may often be deceived about our own hearts, as well. That’s why Paul writes, “Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?” (2 Corinthians 13:5). If we want confidence about our spiritual situation, we need to do more than look back to some words we said in the past when we “accepted Christ”; we need to also examine our current condition to see if there is evidence of God’s work in our lives today—changing us from within, convicting us of sin, and drawing us to repentance.

God is no fool, nor can He be fooled. He knows our heart, our motives, our intentions. We reap what we sow. Commitment, faith, and faithfulness, will!

The epistle of 1 John is important because it provides many signs of saving faith, so that we can know that our faith is genuine (see 1 John 5:13). Also, believers have the gift of the Holy Spirit, and “the Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children” (Romans 8:16).
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biohak · 36-40, M
That is a whole lot of human judgement... who are you to tell people if they deserve to burn in hell or not ? The arrogance of this is disgusting you don’t know if there is a god or not stop pretending you do. Your heart knowledge is meaningless the heart can’t know anything it’s a fucking muscle
You have two choices. Either you can address me as a decent human being would, without the foul mouth, or leave my post.

Now...where did I say that? Point it out. As I’ve said before, Jesus didn’t leave us to guess about how we got here. All the answers are in His Holy Word. He wrote those things so we would know, and not have to guess. What you call arrogance, Jesus calls blessed assurance. God is perfect. He cannot lie, so we can definitely trust Him and His Word. Otherwise, we’re calling God a liar, which we know He is not.

I’m not arrogant or even cocky about my salvation, for the simple reason, that I don’t have a right to be that way about it, because I didn’t do one thing to earn it, OR deserve it. Jesus did it all. He is the one who paid for my sins with His life. And I owe it all to Him. There’s absolutely nothing that “I” could boast about, because Jesus paid my sin debt with His very life. He did that FOR ME, and for anyone who wishes to have eternal life in Heaven. If it wasn’t for Him, I’d still be lost. He and only He...deserves full credit. I’m just the beneficiary of His love, Grace, mercy, and finally, eternal life. No better than anyone else, who can do the same.

@biohak
@biohak Ah, but the heart does know.
Jeremiah 17:9 - “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
biohak · 36-40, M
You are brainwashed by an old book.. your evidence that the bible is true is referencing the bible.. how do you know the authors are credible ? Well I read it in the book they wrote lol
biohak · 36-40, M
Many people are brainwashed by old books are all the other people wrong ? You just happened to have found the one true book ? Why you ? Why should others burn in hell because god didn’t choose to show them the way .. such arrogance that you are more deserving of “gods “ grace
You are so judgemental. I never said anything of the sort. You’re the only one assuming here. It’s not what I say, but what God says, that matters, and I’ve relayed what HE says we need to do to be saved. If you don’t believe it, really… That’s fine! I am finished with this conversation. @biohak
biohak · 36-40, M
You’re clearly fairly intelligent I can show you how you’re brainwashed, if you read any other book and the author said everything I write is true don’t listen to what anyone else says you would not be convinced, in fact there are many religious texts that say just that that you reject it. You trust the bible because you like the story and it fits with you for whatever reason.. culture or personal situation. of course it would be great if it were true but the reality is for all we know it is just a story like all the rest if you were born in Syria chances are you’d be saying the same about muhammhad
biohak · 36-40, M
No you’re not relating what god says you’re relating what you believe is true don’t put the blame on god that’s cowardly. You believe the bible you believe homosexuals deserve to burn in hell and it’s ok to have slaves it’s your choice to believe the bible is true and if you do it’s because you agree with it . What if there was only Satan would you praise him ? Why would you praise a god who says it’s ok to beat your wife have slaves and burns gay people eternally. We mere humans treat burn victims with the most possible compassion because we know how horrific it is yet god burns people eternally for misdemeanours. If he does exist I refute him with every ounce of my being@LadyGrace
I just might, but I know the personal experience and relationship I have with God, that some may deny, but have no right to judge, because they’re not me, nor did they experience God, if they are unbelievers. Even every believer has a different salvation experience. No two are alike because it is a personal experience. God talks to each in His own way. Now if you don’t mind, I would appreciate it if you would cease from personal attacks on me and go find out for yourself through God’s Word if he is real. If we seek him with all our heart and mind, God does reveal himself to us. There are so many things you don’t know that you judge, because you have not read God’s Word from the standpoint of a born-again Christian. That is why you cannot understand it, even though you have “fair intelligence”. To be able to understand God‘s word, since it is of the spirit, one can only understand it once they are born-again and have received the Holy Spirit who teaches them. Something else you don’t know. @biohak
Goodbye! Your assumptions are tiring and inaccurate. @biohak
@biohak

If he does exist I refute him with every ounce of my being@LadyGrace

That’s obvious, and that’s because you do not understand Him. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned” (1 Corinthians 2:14). The “spiritual man” is the one who has been given the gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8–9) for the salvation of his soul.
biohak · 36-40, M
No no no you are the one ear raping us with your beliefs I didn’t start this you did. Keep your personal beliefs to yourself .. you are the one making a weird claim that there is this old book and because you’ve read it you now know there is a being that created everything and if you don’t act how he wants you to act you will burn in hell think about how weird that is you are really out on a limb claiming that you would be put in an asylum for it if it didn’t happen to become a popular belief due to geopolitical circumstances @LadyGrace
@biohak
?...you believe homosexuals deserve to burn in hell and it’s ok to have slaves

Boy, you’re presumptuous. Jesus died to save ALL, not SOME. And God does not categorize sin! ALL sin, separates us from God. One person’s sin is no worse than the other person’s sin. Jesus said so. And one PERSON is no better than the other. Shows what you know.
biohak · 36-40, M
You’re really not getting it references the bible has no more meaning than referencing the quaran or the epic of Gilgamesh you accept them as myth the quaran claims it is the word of god too and it’s followers are just as sure as you(in fact more) for the same reasons.. they feel it’s truth because anything can feel true if you want to believe it enough
That’s not how it works, but whatever you want to believe. @biohak
biohak · 36-40, M
But it says in the bible that it’s ok to have slaves and homosexuals will burn in hell and you believe the bible is truth not fiction so that is what you believe@LadyGrace
@biohak
No no no you are the one ear raping us with your beliefs I didn’t start this

I’ve only one last thing to say. Anyone and everyone has a right to say what they please on this site without harassment from people like you. No one forced you to come here and read my post, nor to respond to it. Raped you indeed! You poor thing. You can’t think for yourself and turn away from the post you don’t care to read? You were the one that started the arguing, not me, and accusations that are totally false. So rant on, but I’ll not reply.
But it says in the bible that it’s ok to have slaves and homosexuals will burn in hell and you believe the bible is truth not fiction so that is what you believe@LadyGrace

God was never for slavery. The Bible says ALL UNFORGIVEN SINNERS will go to hell. That’s means everyone WHOSE SINS have not been forgiven. And that is only because their sins separate them from heaven and God. It is impossible for sin to enter heaven, or it wouldn’t BE HEAVEN. HOWEVER...Whosoever believes in Jesus and turns from their sins to follow Christ, shall be saved.. We ALL have that opportunity.
biohak · 36-40, M
1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.
@biohak Think about this. If Jesus hated everyone and was out to send everyone to hell, why in the world do you think he would suffer and die so horribly on the cross, and pay for our sin debt that we all owe, but could not pay.... so we could go to heaven when we die? Come on, now. Jesus’s death was not in vain.
biohak · 36-40, M
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." -1 Cor 6:9, NIV
biohak · 36-40, M
That’s precisely why it makes no sense, the whole thing it just pure contradiction because it was an anthology put together by thousands of different people each adding their own rules to govern their underclass at that particular place and time@LadyGrace
1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

I'll answer this and more, tomorrow. I need groceries! 😆


@biohak
biohak · 36-40, M
I like most of the teachings of Jesus they are mostly good advice none though can not be found written in the world way before Jesus it is a collection of mans interpretation of other men’s advice that is all
I’m going now, but I’d say that God’s plan to save mankind from destruction, so he could live in heaven, is waaaay more valuable than mere good advice. And what’s more, you were talking about all the other religions. Not one of them offers mankind a way to get to heaven. Jesus calls other religions vain philosophy. Religion did not die on the cross for our sins. Jesus did. And without Jesus, we do not have access to God the Father. That’s what really counts. We cannot rely on other religions. They are just man-made philosophy, not God’s secure promises. @biohak
biohak · 36-40, M
Actually most religions offer a way to get to heaven