How can anyone think that this beautiful world isn't created by God? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Firespirit but only Jesus died for the world!

@Carazaa no one asked him too.

@ForgottenLore37 That is for sure He did it out of His own love for you!

@Carazaa How dare he go against his father and be gay like that!

@Carazaa In Christianity they tell you he died. In Islam for example he just got lifted up into heaven and is believed to come back 🤷‍♀️

@SW-User Jesus said he is coming back to judge the living and the dead in Revelations, and Matthew, and many places. Infact I think we are the last generation because in Matthew 24 he mentioned the signs in that generation, Increased knowledge, men will be falling away from God, living for self not God, false religions, whether changes, floodings and fires etc

@Carazaa People have been claiming it's the end times for hundreds of years already! Keep doing it though, I mean someday someone will be right right?

@ForgottenLore37 Yes!

@Carazaa


But of course there is increased knowledge. There has been a general increase in knowledge over the entire course of human history. And when has there ever been a time when there weren't fires, flooding and various natural disasters? When has there been a time where there weren't what a christian would call false religions?

The thing is that people have been pointing to the same signs you are now for millennia and saying that they think the end times are nigh.
Just sayin.

@Pikachu I disagree! Human settlements started 12,000 years ago approximately. There has NOT been a rapid increase in knowledge until recently with travel, communication, and electricity.

For 12,000 they travelled by horse. How long did they have to send mail by a mailman? Only the last couple generations have we been able to travel by plane, and see above the clouds and the tallest mountains from a plane! ALL other generations were pretty stationary. Jesus talked about the last generation being very mobile, "going to and fro". For 12,000 years there was no telephone, train, cars, computers, electric stoves, everything stayed pretty much the same until the last 100 or so years ago. Knowledge is rapidly speeding up. For 1000 years the Christian church was the same. Well, let me just say, its not the same now. It is changing. Paganism is creeping in. A "priest" in Sweden has decided to take away the cross because it could be offensive to Muslims, so they are adding moons, and taking down crosses in some of them, because we don't want to "offend" anyone. But its not new religions Jesus talked about, no He talked about a different Jesus altogether in the pulpit in the last days. I think we see that with the entertaining megachurches, doing signs, and playing different music, and NOT speaking of his return. Because people don't want to see his return if they aren't saved

@Carazaa

You're mistaking the fact that past cultures have not achieved our level of knowledge with the idea that knowledge has not been accruing.
This is faulty logic.
And again, there have always been natural disaster, war and strife.

So how many signs do you actually have then?

@PikachuPeople travelled by horse for 10,000 years, right? Did they have telephones for 10,000 years? Computers? planes, trains?

@Carazaa

Carazaa, you're just repeating the same mistake.
Our knowledge has been increasing the whole time: knowledge of the shape of our planet, knowledge of the earth's relationship in the solar system, knowledge of disease, knowledge of nutrition, knowledge of physics, knowledge of mathematics and on and on.

Just because we didn't develop trains and computers doesn't mean our knowledge wasn't increasing in other areas.

So again, how many signs do you actually have?

@Pikachu Sweden has been the same the last 1000 years until now. Farmers with horses! I have a picture of my Grandpa in town with his friends on a horse wagon from 1930. Same farms for hundreds of years, generation, after generation. Go to Sigtuna Sweden. Same as a thousand years ago. This generation its changing. I have my family tree since Vikings in 1200 AD. Same town hasn't changed.

@Carazaa


Tell me, has sweden had the same understanding of disease for a thousand years? How about electricity? Did they still believe that the sun orbited the earth?

Carazaa...you're just repeating the same logically flawed argument and i don't know how many ways i can explain the flaw in your reasoning.

@Pikachu My logic is not flawed, sorry! I'm repeating because it is true. The industrial revolution happened and then the communication revolution happened, and knowledge is increasing in speed. Yes only the last few hundred years has knowledge increased. Before that no one knew about hand germs either, The sun they knew nothing about, and they thought the earth was flat, and my Mom at 85 can't believe the world now with smart phones. My Grandma read the Bible daily, and said to me when I was about 10, that when you see the signs Jesus talked about here, increase in GREAT earthquakes, floods, terrors, knowledge increasing, Christianity being less popular, new Christianities, and men loving self MORE than God, know then it will be that generation who will see Him coming in the clouds. She did not see those things 50 years ago. I see them now!

@Pikachu
Edisons lightbulb in 1879! This is very recent invention.

@Pikachu Germs, and the importance of handwashing, 1847.

@Carazaa


You're not getting this and i don't know how else to explain it to you.
I gave you examples of things which were still an increase in knowledge but not high tech.
We can go further back. We can talk about the move from bronze to steel. We can go further back and talk about hunting and gathering to agriculture.

Knowledge has always been increasing, carazaa.
This is not a sign.

@Pikachu It is quite insulting when you say things like "you're not getting this" You are not understanding my points, but I am not insulting you!

Knowledge has always increased. But I am saying that Jesus was talking about many signs happening at the same time as a lot of knowledge increase, Jesus explained it like birth pains, in frequency, and in strength. You can disagree but I think we are in that age now.

@Carazaa

I'm sorry. My intention is not to insult you.


You mean like knowledge increasing which you acknowledge has always been happening?
Or natural disaster which you'll agree have always been happening?
War and strife which have always been happening?

So if all these things have always been happening then i don't really see that it can be considered signs of the end times.

I dunno, seems to me that people have been predicting that the time is nigh for a long damn time.
Still not here.

@Pikachu

Is that really what I said, NO! That is not what I said.

We have never had a time in history where knowledge has increased like now, For thousands of years man had only the horse and feet to get around, and had no phones.

No more!

Now for the first generation ever, we can communicate with anyone instantly! Terrors are everywhere, great earthquakes are increasing, flooding, more people are quickly coming to Christ in China and all the non-industrial, non-Christian countries, the gospel is spreading like never before, and at the same time Christianity is mocked, and people are falling away like Jesus said they would. Jesus talked about it like birth pains, increasing in intensity and frequency.

We are living in a different age where Jesus talked about these things at the same time, specifically, as well as Daniel, and Revelations.

@Carazaa

Yeah...not buying it.
I think it's just the bias that everyone always has that they live in important times.

Like i said, people have been looking at the same scripture you have for millennia and seeing that the signs show the time is imminent.

Still hasn't happened.

@Pikachu I got that, you're not buying it! Neither are most Christians. I am kind of an odd ball thanks to a grandma who taught me to have my lamps oiled! Most of my friends tell me, well you know they have waited thousands of years for Christ and he is taking his time so we never know. But Jesus warned about that kind of thinking. He will come when the last person is saved. He is ramping up the great commission right now!

When Noah prepared his Arc, everyone mocked him I am sure when he was building a boat in the desert. But God saved him and his family only. All others died. Only 8 survived.

There aren't a lot of people who put Jesus first in their lives. But I want his blessings. I want people to consider what a wonderful Gospel it is, and we don't know when it's our last day. Any one of us could get hit by a truck tomorrow!