Confused about the lord.. [Spirituality & Religion]

@LadyGrace The "one man" was me.

Do you understand what the word "trust" means? Do you even understand the context of the words that you quote as being from Jesus?

Do you? Your definitions do NOT match up with God’s Word, sir. Look them up. @room101

@LadyGrace Does the Bible give us a definition of the word "trust"? Does it give us definitions of any words? I mean, the Bible is God's Word is it not? Maybe you have some other source.

If so, I'd be very interested to know about it.

Frankly, what you told SweetSeptember about there being “nothing to trust” when it comes to Jesus, is just plain [b]wrong[/b]. In fact, everything you wrote was wrong. That’s the basis of God’s whole WORD...TRUST Jesus! If you don’t know what trust means in a relationship, that’s pretty serious. @room101

@LadyGrace Really? Everything that I said was just plain wrong? Where does The Bible tell us that everything in it is the word of God? In Fact, The Bible tells us that the only words actually inscribed by God are the Ten Commandments.

If you feel that you need prayer and doctrine and dogma to reinforce your faith, then have at it. Personally, I've examined my religion and my faith. I'm Greek Orthodox Christian, which happens to be the oldest Christian denomination on the planet and can be traced back to Thomas the Apostle. It is some 400 to 500 years older than Catholicism and many hundreds of years older than every other denomination out there. I've looked at the inconsistencies in The Bible with science, archaeologically based history and what the world is now as opposed to what it was some 2,000 to 3,500 years ago. I've looked at the incongruences in The Bible such as the treatment of homosexuality, abortion (which is not mentioned in The Bible at all), slavery (which seems to be condoned) and many other issues. And yet, my faith in God is still strong.

I trust in myself, in what God gave me. In trust in His plan for humanity and accept that I cannot know the full extent of that plan. I trust that God made us in His own image so that we can think for ourselves and know what is right and what is wrong.

@room101 I don't care how long you've been Greek Orthodox , if it's been 100 years, or you're the Pope... you're description of what the Bible says, does not match God's word! Whatever you are thinking , try and match that up with God's word and you are going to come up empty! God's Word is what tells the truth. You are twisting scripture. God said not to put confidence or trust in yourself but in him. Not you. You cannot save yourself. That's why we need Jesus. ANYONE who tries to get to heaven by themselves by good works or trusting in himself, will never make it. Do you understand that? God said so in His Word. You don't even BELIEVE the Bible is God's inerrant Word, so how can you be a Christian? Answer those two questions, please. Or can you?

@LadyGrace You're blabbing nonsense. Indoctrinated nonsense. You are too blind to see what God gave you. You are too self-righteous to move forward and to truly understand.

The Bible tells us very clearly that the words contained therein are the words of men. Be they prophets or anything else. They are still men. Even the four canonical Gospels contained in the New Testament cannot be traced back to any of the apostles.

Ergo, you are contradicting yourself. You say that we cannot trust in man, in ourselves, and yet you insist that words written by fallible men are the inerrant words of God.

Enjoy living in your bigoted bubble.

@room101 How sarcastic you are, and wrong, at that! Don't twist my words or take them out of context. YOU said the Word of God was written by FALLIBLE man. I said man is fallible. But the Word of God was written by HOLY MEN OF OLD UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. And if you studied the Bible, you'd know that.You don't even BELIEVE the Bible, according to the answers you're giving people. If you don't believe God's own Word, then you don't believe in God. Try to convince people here all you want. You do not know your bible. And you are twisting the scripture and what it means in the Bible. Mock the Bible, and you mock God. Your verbal insults to the man who does know God that you were being so rude and accusing falsely to, is nothing but showing your own insecurities about what it means to be a Christian. If you, a self proclaimed Greek Orthodox Christian, have to ask me why I think God's own Word is NOT WITHOUT ERROR, there's something terribly wrong with your profession of faith, God, and there's no way you have had the salvation experience. Accuse me all you want of this or that, but you clearly are confused about what Jesus taught on faith and salvation. For that reason, my discussions on this matter are closed. I'll not waste my time on someone who is clearly a troll. People will catch on to you, sooner or later. I've been here a long time, in fact, since this site opened, and before that, EP, and most people here, know that I am not arrogant or a know it all, as you and another claimed, and I've never claimed I was the only one who is right about my beliefs. I have always said that what God says in His Word is right and that is what I believe. Others who do not, have that right, as well.

Most here, know that whenever they ask their questions, my answers are always backed up by scripture, so that they match up with God's Word. I don't lead people astray. Whatever I say, is backed by God's Word. So what they are getting are God's answers, not mine. OTHERWISE, Jesus said that's the way you can tell if someone is a false teacher, and to depart from them, if their words do not match up with the Bible. They know they can trust what I convey, to be from God's Word, and because it comes straight from the Bible, they know that in order to reach heaven, they must rely on GOD alone. God said one must be born again in order to be saved. You say no and asked what that meant. A Christian would know that, yet you advise others that they are wrong. JESUS said salvation comes ONLY through Him. That's God's` requirements. JESUS said one is saved from the penalty of sin, only by receiving JESUS as their Lord and Savior. By [b]faith[/b], through the Grace of God. That's what being born again means. I do believe Him and what he says to be true, just delivering God's message to others, as He said to do. No one has to receive it as truth if they don't want to. That's up to them.

@room101 Wrong again. There's not one self-righteous bone in my body and people here who really know me, know that. So just babble on.

@LadyGrace @room101 LDyGrace, I have always respected your passion for God’s word and your commitment to His Great Commission; however, I believe you have both forgotten the importance of the original post. This is a person who is seeking answers, not biblical interpretation and differences in doctrine. This kind of bickering is what pulls people away, not to God.

Kindhearted guy has one of the best encouraging suggestions here...READ and MEDITATE. Not debate scripture and call each other ugly names.

@room101 [quote]Where does The Bible tell us that everything in it is the word of God? I[/quote]

Right here. "16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [c]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16 & 17

16 For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19 [i]And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private [j]interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but [k]holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1: 16 - 21

@Pinkstarburst Thank you, dear. I wholeheartedly AGREE! This is exactly what I have always wanted to AVOID. ESPECIALLY arguing.

In my defense, I do not feel I forgot the importance of the original post. I was quite sensitive to it. I answered it, and it was never my intention to argue, but discuss. I stated WHY I believe Room 101 gave her wrong advice, which I believe she needed to hear, given she is new at seeking Christ, and needs to hear the difference between what God's Word says, over what Room 101 was saying. God's Word is for instruction. I'm sure God did not mind my showing her the difference between what Room101 was saying, and what God's Word says. There was sharp contrast. God even warns against teaching others, things that His Word does not say. It was not my INTERPRETATION of what God said. It was what God said in His Word. His Word is loud and clear. All I did was quote His own Word. Nothing wrong with that. That's what I always do. And this is why, if you'll read down further, that I cut off conversation with Room 101, as I have others in other posts. We are not to argue. However, when one is giving someone who is searching, false teachings, and leading them AWAY from what God's Word says, you bet I'm going to say something. Even God would not expect me to shut up and allow her to believe a lie, when even HE warns people about false teachers. She could take it, or leave my advice. Each person on each side of a conversation, have the right to express their opinions, but not argue them.

I recognize my error in pointing her to Room101's comment directly, instead of instructing her what to watch out for from those who are false teachers, thereby bringing conflict to the conversation and rebuttal. I do apologize for that. I was upset at the time that he was clearly giving her wrong advice ACCORDING to God's Word. I SO do hate it, when it goes from discussing, to arguing. And that's why I put an end to it. It's definitely not right, and I apologize to you and SweetSeptember for allowing it to go on and on. That was NEVER my intention. I should have stopped earlier, as well, when Room 101 started with the sarcasm, which I feel fueled the fire. However, I don't believe God expects followers to allow unbelievers to trample on them without answer...so I corrected his false accusations, then closed the conversation. Even God said to study to show thyself approved, rightly dividing the Word Of God and to have an answer for everyone, including those who falsely accuse and teach not His Word correctly...then move on, and that is what I was trying to do. That is also why I asked SweetSeptember to PM me. The idea was to avoid arguing, altogether, with those who are only here to argue. That was my goal. I like to discuss, but when it comes to arguing, being rude or disrespectful to others, that's where I draw the line, in all my posts, if you've noticed. This just happened to get out of hand, as I know others read these posts and I did not want them to be lead astray with false doctrine, as false teachers try to do, so I defended God's truths, not for me, but for Him. God is no liar. I don't think God would be angry with me for that. I think in all my posts, I've tried to avoid arguing, as I'm quite aware this only turns those seeking Christ, away, and that hurts my heart more than anything. Thanks for the reminder and kind letter. I regret I did not stop that conversation with him earlier, as I'm accustomed to. I hope I have not disappointed Sweet September. If I have, I humbly apologize. I know I disappointed you, and perhaps others,
... and for that, I also humbly apologize. I try and watch myself so I do not err, but this time I wasn't quite quick enough in ending that conversation. I urge and remind other Christians on here, not to argue with unbelievers or false teachers. As you know, Satan uses this to turn people away from Christ. I've mentioned that way before this. We make mistakes, we stumble and fall, but we repent, brush ourselves off, and try to do better. Thanks, Pink. 💓🤗

@LadyGrace 🤗🤗🤗

@Pinkstarburst My heart feels SO much better. Thank you. 🤗

@Pinkstarburst Which is exactly why I wrote what I did. I did not quote scripture. I did not quote doctrine. I tried to use a vernacular which would be understood by anybody.

@GodSpeed63 "16 [b]All Scripture is given by inspiration of God[/b], and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16 & 17


I can be inspired by Picasso. That does not mean that a painting that I create is a Picasso.

@LadyGrace "But the Word of God was written by HOLY MEN OF OLD UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT."

There was another Holy man of old who said that his words were from the direction of God and that his words were Gods Law. In fact, he said that he was God's final prophet and that there would be no more prophets after him. His name was Muḥammad ibn ʿAbdullāh and he went on to create one of the fastest growing religions in human history.

Men are fallible. End of story.

For reference, [quote]Room101 said: Where does The Bible tell us that everything in it is the word of God?

Godspeed: Right here. "16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16 & 17[/quote]

Amen brother. You are right on. I love that verse. He criticizes my beliefs, and calls me self-righteous, when he doesn’t even know me or believe in the inerrant Word of God. If you don’t believe in God’s Word, you just don’t believe God. That’s calling God a liar. He didn’t want me to use scripture, but God’s Word IS to be USED as it says...for [u]correction and instruction[/u] in righteousness. But we’ve got things to do for the Lord, than keep this going. It’s not profitable to the Lord. It’ll just drag on and on.

@GodSpeed63