Is there anyone here who respects Kent Hovind as a rational debater and an honest representation of the faith? [Spirituality & Religion]

@GodSpeed63

I can see why you might be into him.
He debates kind of like you. That is to say, refusing to answer uncomfortable questions....

Here's a gem from a recent debate he did:

[c=#003BB2]Tom: So if a copy of a gene mutated and was now able to produce a protein which that organisms could previously not produce, would that be an example of new information? [/c]

[c=#BF0000]Kent: are there any examples of that? It's just imagination.[/c]

[c=#003BB2]Tom: Yes, there are examples[/c]


[c=#BF0000]Kent: Well you have to understand that a protein is very complex...[/c]

[c=#003BB2]Tom: So you wouldn't say that's an example of new information?[/c]

[c=#BF0000]Kent: Well that's like me saying there was a new lawn mower forming in my garage and that's not going to happen...[/c]

lol good job Kent 😆👍

I'm still waiting on you in that discussion about the fossil layers and how creation can account for them btw.

@Pikachu [quote]I can see why you might be into him. He debates kind of like you. That is to say, refusing to answer uncomfortable questions...[/quote]

He answers them alright. You're too headstrong to recognize his answers.

@GodSpeed63

Look dude, not even gonna get into this right now. We can discuss the merits of Kent's debate style later if you really want to.

Let's just say this.

If you're an admirer of hovind and you'd like to model your style after his then i think the only reasonable thing you can do is answer.
If there's one thing no one could accuse Hovind of doing, it's not answering whatever question you put to him.
Whether the answers are good...well there might be some accusations in that area lol.

My point being, make like a Kent and give me an answer to my question😉

How does creation - and particularly the narrative of the great flood - account for the fact that we find stratification in animals remains?
If, as you believe, all animals were created at around the same time and if, as you believe, most of these animals died at the same time then we would have to see these animals all mixed in the same layers.
But we [i]don't [/i]and that's a fact.

So....how does the creation/noah narrative account for that?

I'll take my answer either here or in our previous discussion.🙂

@Pikachu [quote]How does creation - and particularly the narrative of the great flood - account for the fact that we find stratification in animals remains?[/quote]

Tell me why you need to know. What are you getting at?

@GodSpeed63

I've already told you why, remember? Nevertheless, i'll repeat myself for your benefit here:

[quote]Tell me why you need to know. What are you getting at?[/quote]

Because i'm trying to show that a literal interpretation of the bible is incompatible with reality. In this case, specifically the fossil record.

Please answer the question.
That is, if you are interested in an honest discussion.

Look, if you're [i]really[/i] not up for it just say so.
We'll just stick with your previous answer that animal remains are stratified in the fossil record - contrary to what creation necessitates - because "God didn't create them to die, He created them to live."

Ok?

@Pikachu [quote]Because i'm trying to show that a literal interpretation of the bible is incompatible with reality[/quote]

You'd be wrong. The Word of God is more real and true than you or I could hope to be.

@GodSpeed63

lol ok buddy. I tried🙄

I don't know what forces you to respond this way to a question you can't answer.
I don't know if it's your pride or loyalty to your belief or some kind of defense mechanism.
I just know that i'm not interested in playing your game anymore. I can't cajole you for ever.

So you have a think about it and get back to me if you decide you're prepared come at this discussion honestly.

I'll be here🙂👍

@Pikachu Only a dancer can dodge a question so good. I'm still waiting for the stratification answer as well.

@Pikachu @canusernamebemyusername There will be no answer except for scripture and dodging. He doesn't have the intellectual integrity to debate the topic logically.

@canusernamebemyusername

I suspect we'll be waiting a long time😉

@Bushranger

No...I don't believe he's honest enough to give a direct answer to this question.

It's too important for him not to be shown to be wrong.
I don't know if that's for the benefit of his own pride or because he believes so much in creation but the result is the same.

@Pikachu @Bushranger @canusernamebemyusername @GodSpeed63
Representative specimens of every animal and plant on Earth showed up in eastern Asia Minor for Noah to put on that boat. Yeah, right

@CookieLuvsBunny

Seems unlikely. But i think some creationists will hold that he had all the "kinds" , whatever that means, so it wasn't necessary to have all the species there.

@Pikachu
I don't know what "kind" is.
That would be admitting evolutionary adaptation

@Pikachu @CookieLuvsBunny The creationist definition of kind varies. It can mean species, genera or class, depending on what questions are asked. Psuedo science at its best.