Want to see a one hit K.O by evolution to young earth creationism? [Spirituality & Religion]

@GodSpeed63 You should take that routine on the road. People like a good laugh.

@Bushranger [quote]You should take that routine on the road. People like a good laugh.[/quote]

Only the fools who are wise in their own eyes would laugh. The wise would welcome the fact that creation happened and not evolution.

@GodSpeed63 So where is your proof? How does creationism account for parasite increased trophic facilitation? Why aren't higher mammal fossils found in the same strata as dinosaurs?

Oh, that's right, God did it. Easy, but wrong answer.

@GodSpeed63

Look, i know you don't like to admit it, but evolution is indeed supported by the fossil record and creation falls flat.

If you disagree, then let's discuss it.

Are you prepared to do that or is a drive by denial all you find yourself competent to produce?

@Pikachu The last statement is the relevant one here, I believe.

@GodSpeed63


Yeah, thought so. Drive by it is then😉

@Bushranger [quote]Oh, that's right, God did it. Easy, but wrong answer.[/quote]

Where's yours that God didn't create the heavens and the earth?

@GodSpeed63

Oh, you're back to actually make a reasoned argument as to how creation better accounts for the evidence described in the OP than does evolution.

Excellent. Let's being.

So, how do you explain the fact that the fossil record is in direct contradiction to the genesis account of creation AND the global flood of noah?

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Yeah, thought so. Drive by it is then[/quote]

All you know how to do is ridicule, mock, and act worse than a jackass. Not worth my time.

@GodSpeed63

You're right, that was shitty of me.
I'm sorry.

So let's take a step back.
I've just offered you a chance to make an argument which we will then debate.
Let's just both behave like gentlemen an approach this politely and with intellectual integrity.

So.
How do you explain the fact that the fossil record is in direct contradiction to the genesis account of creation AND the global flood of noah?
Do you feel that the fossil record is in fact consistent with these things?
If so, how so?

@Pikachu [quote]So.[/quote]

I choose to pray for you.

@GodSpeed63

Ok. If that's what you want do.

But i hope you'll refrain from making comments like this:
"You forget, evolution was knocked out, not creation. The fossil record shows no signs of evolution", unless you are prepared to defend them.

That's dishonest.
If you want to have a debate then we will debate.
If you're not up for that then you know better than to enter my threads.
Says so right on my profile😉

@Pikachu [quote]"You forget, evolution was knocked out, not creation. The fossil record shows no signs of evolution"[/quote]

It's the truth whether you think so or not.

@GodSpeed63

You forget, creation was knocked out, not creation. The fossil record directly contradicts creation.
It's the truth whether you think so or not.

There, you see how pointless it is to say something like that?

You forget: that which is asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence.

So let's neither of us do that. Agreed?
Good.
Let's you and me actually [i]have[/i] this debate.


I've already made my opening argument.
You may now offer a rebuttal. Not a denial. A rebuttal.

Are you prepared to do that?

@Pikachu [quote]There, you see how pointless it is to say something like that?[/quote]

Yours is pointless, mine is not. There's a difference.

@GodSpeed63

What's the difference? Explain it to me.

In terms of the validity of the argument as presented, what is different about saying creation beats evolution and that's the truth and saying that evolution beats creation and that's the truth?

Understand, i'm not asking you to comment on which you think it true, i'm asking you to substantiate the assertion you just made that there's a rhetorical difference between those two statements.

And just to be clear, you ARE declining to actually engage me on the subject of this thread, yes?

I'd appreciate if you make that clear otherwise we'll just both be wasting time when i repeat my invitation to debate.

A yes or no, if you please.

@Pikachu [quote]What's the difference? [/quote]

Yours is the lie, mine is the truth.

@GodSpeed63

[quote]Yours is the lie, mine is the truth.[quote][/quote][/quote]

*ahem*

[quote]Understand,[c=#BF0000] i'm not asking you to comment on which you think it true[/c], i'm asking you to substantiate the assertion you just made that there's a rhetorical difference between those two statements.[/quote]


Aaaaanyway.
Let's leave that to one side then.

So the fossil record shows a distinct stratification of animal remains going from less complex to more complex.

This could not happen if all the animals were created at the same time.
It also couldn't happen if there was a global flood killing most animals at around the same time.

So how does creationism account for this inconsistency?

@Pikachu [quote]So how does creationism account for this inconsistency?[/quote]

It doesn't but the interpretation of it be evolution scientists, who don't know their butts from their elbows, do. The fossils are intact like they discovered and evolution is out.

One more thing, without the Spirit of God, Yahweh, abiding in you, you can't know actual truth.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [g]Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like [h]corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
Romans 1:20-23

@GodSpeed63

[quote]It doesn't [/quote]

So we are in [i]agreement[/i]?!
You acknowledge that creationism is not compatible with the evidence in the natural world.
At least in this case.

Cool.

Not sure why you felt the need to insult and the preach but i'm glad we were able to at least agree that creation cannot account for this evidence.

That's a good first step😀

@Pikachu [quote]You acknowledge that creationism is not compatible with the evidence in the natural world. At least in this case.[/quote]

God created this world perfectly but man messed it up. Creation itself is compatible with this natural world and is consistent because the our Creator is consistent even through the changes.

@GodSpeed63

Ok so that's [i]your[/i] starting assertion.

Not sure how man's fall from grace messed up geology so now let's get down to specifics.

If creationism is true and all animals were created at around the same time, why do we see this stratification of fossil remains?

If most animals on earth died in the flood, why don't we see them all mixed together in the fossil record?

@Pikachu [quote]OK so that's your starting assertion.[/quote]

No, that's the truth.

[quote]If creationism is true and all animals were created at around the same time, why do we see this stratification of fossil remains?[/quote]

Why wouldn't there be? It still doesn't mean that evolution happened.

[quote]If most animals on earth died in the flood, why don't we see them all mixed together in the fossil record?[/quote]

You're going by today's count of animals and not back then. There were not as many animals back then as there are today.

@GodSpeed63


[quote]Why wouldn't there be?[/quote]

Because if all animals were created at once in their present form then we would see all animals in their present form mixed throughout the fossil record.

Instead we see distinct delineations. Before a certain point, certain animals simply don't appear alongside certain other animals.
Before a certain point we don't see certain animals or even biblical kinds represented in the fossil record at ALL.

This is just ONE piece of evidence in the mountain which corresponds to evolution theory and contradicts creation.

[quote]You're going by today's count of animals and not back then[/quote]

Nope.

This has nothing to do with the number of animals. It has to do with the sorts of animals. According to creation, they ALL existed at the same time and they ALL suffered in the great flood.
So when they drowned, they would have been all mixed together in the same geological layer.

But they're not.

The fact is that they're NOT mixed together. And that IS a FACT.
So how does that fact fit into the creation narrative?

@Pikachu [quote]Because if all animals were created at once in their present form then we would see all animals in their present form mixed throughout the fossil record.[/quote]

Mixed together? Why would they be mixed together?