What is your best counter evidence for evolution? Evolution is a scientific fact. Just like gravity. We can see that it happens [Spirituality & Religion]

@GodSpeed63

Wrong.
There is a great deal of evidence for it. You just don't like it.

@Pikachu [quote]There is a great deal of evidence for it. You just don't like it.
[/quote]

That's because I haven't seen any evidence for it but I have seen plenty of evidence that Yahweh created the world and all that is in it before man messed it up.

@GodSpeed63

Well i would be happy to discuss a a few examples of evidence and see what they give better evidence for provided you agree to a couple reasonable terms of engagement.

You must either a) explain why the evidence does not in fact support evolution or b) show that creation offers a superior, predictive and consistent explanation of the evidence.

You have to understand, if i present evidence and all you say is "no, that's evidence for a creator" then you haven't explained anything and we've both just wasted our time.

Agreed?

@GodSpeed63 [quote]There's no evidence for it[/quote]

I have shown you evidence, but you either ignore it, or run away and hide from it.
You certainly don't address it.

Now you have the audacity to sidle back on here snd repeat these ridiculous claims.

You're a troll, right?

@Pikachu @newjaninev2 It's not that hard to figure out, he just can't see beyond his religious belief. No concept of nuance or ability to present a logical argument. Don't know about a troll, but he's getting tedious in his repetition.

@GodSpeed63

lol awww now you've done it. You woke up newjanine

@newjaninev2

Do me a favour, don't go into your very well constructed presentation of the evidence until he agrees to the above conditions. Otherwise he's just going o say "no, god did it" and scurry away.

@Pikachu But he's liable to agree and still return to form.

@Pikachu [quote]You must either a) explain why the evidence does not in fact support evolution or b) show that creation offers a superior, predictive and consistent explanation of the evidence.[/quote]

Already did that but you wouldn't would accept the evidence given to you.

What are you looking for? Are looking for truth or are looking to be right? If the former, you're welcome to try, if the latter, you've already lost at the starting line. Instead of using science, why not try to explain why you believe that Yahweh doesn't live and have something substantial to support it. Okay?

@Bushranger

I'd say it's a virtual certainty. But trying to get him to honour his word is the best we can do over the internet

@Pikachu No problem at a ll.

Looking forward to it.

he reminds me of the Bellman in Lewis Carrol's [i]The Hunting of the Snark:[/i]

"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
[b]What I tell you three times is true.[/b]"

@GodSpeed63

Well i'm glad you already did because that means you can do it again.
But this is new conversation so let's do it here.

I'm prepared to debate the evidence. Are you?

If not then there is nothing here for you in this thread.
If so, do you agree to the terms?

@newjaninev2 [quote]I have shown you evidence, but you either ignore it, or run away and hide from it. You certainly don't address it.[/quote]

What you've shown me is misinterpreted science.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]I have seen plenty of evidence that Yahweh created the world[/quote]
So you keep saying but you've never been able to present any of it. Why is that?

@Pikachu [quote]I'm prepared to debate the evidence. Are you?[/quote]

You didn't answer my question.

@GodSpeed63 You have previously said that you agree that "micri-evolution" occurs. So you obviously have seen evidence for it.

@Bushranger Show me.

@GodSpeed63 So now you are saying that "micro-evolution" doesn't happen?

@Bushranger I wanted show me where I supposedly agreed that "micri-evolution" occurs. I don't remember agreeing to that.

@GodSpeed63 Evolution is change over time in the frequency and distribution of alleles.

Nothing more and nothing less.

The terms 'micro-evolution' and 'macro-evolution' are essentially meaningless. They merely denote a distinction without a difference.

There's just evolution... change over time in the frequency and distribution of alleles.

Now, about the evidence for that... the evidence you say doesn't exist.... would you like to see some?

We can address it together.

@newjaninev2 [quote]Evolution is change over time in the frequency and distribution of alleles.[/quote]

That's a misinterpretation of science. You're taking the meaning of evolution out context.

@GodSpeed63

[quote]You didn't answer my question.
[/quote]

Didn't i?

Ok. I'm interested in what's true.

So let's discuss and see where that leads us.

Are you going to keep side stepping or are you going to agree to the terms so we may begin the debate?
You're also welcome to suggest amendments to those terms if you feel they are unfair.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]You're taking the meaning of evolution out context[/quote]

Stuff and nonsense!

That [i]is[/i] the definition of evolution.

What you you think the definition should be?

@newjaninev2 [quote]Stuff and nonsense![/quote]

Call it what you will but that's exactly what you're doing.

@GodSpeed63

How about you pull a scientific definition of evolution that you feel is more accurate and share it with us instead of just denying.

While you're at it, agree to the terms of debate or admit that you unwilling and/or unable to debate under legitimate conditions.

@GodSpeed63 In what context was I offering the definition?

After all, if it's out of context, then you should be able to easily identify the context.

Again...

What you you think the definition should be?