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What is your best counter evidence for evolution? Evolution is a scientific fact. Just like gravity. We can see that it happens [Spirituality & Religion]

NO one can give evidence against evolution. The very BEST a creationist can do is to make an argument from ignorance which boils down to "I don't understand how x could happen naturally, therefore god is responsible".

But i'm open to being proven wrong.

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Faust76 · 46-50, M
I feel that in the past when people were closer to nature, almost everybody involved in agriculture, evolution was widely understood and believed. All our domestic animals and food plants have been painstakingly domesticated and bred for the qualities preferred over centuries and millennias. This would never have worked if people didn't pick some of the largest & most succulent potatoes to plant for next year rather than eat, for example. In other species the effect can be seen in mere generation or two. Yet today people are "Nah bro, evolution is a conspiracy, microevolution in viruses and such is possible but there's never been evidence of this so-called evolution!" They wouldn't have survived in an agrarian society.

Part of the problem is lack of common world language and mind constructs to discuss the issue. For one thing, what's actually true and unchanged is the "concept of evolution" as opposed to creation only. A scientist can talk your ears off about all the ways the "Theory of Evolution" which is an attempt at explaining the concept of evolution has changed since Darwin's day. In fact, Darwinian evolution is today seemingly giving way to Lamarckian evolution, a Theory once discredited.

Yet on the other side, the more science advances, the more solidly things like evolution on the whole are established as a fact. Today genetic sequences obtained of modern plants & their thousand years old ancestors show exactly how they have evolved, scans of human genomes show selective sweeps for & against specific traits, to say nothing of being able to show exactly the relatively minor genetic changes needed to go from apes to humans. The only thing that "can't be proven" in the large scheme is that there isn't an omnipotent power that's making it look like evolution. Unfortunately for religion(s), this could be any god, alien, simulation or pink elephant doing it rather than their favorite god.

Whee for too long responses that still can't more than scratch the surface :p
@Faust76

I think it is important to recognize that while science is still debating exactly [i]how[/i] evolution takes place, there's no legitimate controversy over the fact that it does.
Faust76 · 46-50, M
@Pikachu Evolution doesn't *necessarily* prove that there wasn't creation to start it off, but unfortunately modern day creationists have chosen to deny evolution at all.

And the "how" evolution takes place is constantly being pushed into even narrower range of possibilities & unknowns, cue the "God of the gaps/missing link" idea. Like yeah, our ancient ancestors picked wolves from the wild and "somehow" turned them into dogs, and today dog-breeders design new dog breeds the same way. Yet no matter how many dogs you carry out into the wild, they don't suddenly turn back into wolves. Yeah, they can still breed with wolves though.

Speciation is interesting matter, but in the case of humans, it's clearly & even visually (under a microscope) obvious under microscope that human ancestors two chromosomes fused into single chromosome. Human chromosome 2 is basically same as chimpanzee chromosomes 12 and 13 joined at ends. With different number of chromosomes, having offspring was no longer certain. And yeah, I haven't really read up if they have a theory about whether this chromosome fusion happened in 500 people at once, I'm guessing that initially they were able to *rarely* have offspring.

Regardless if this was creation for the sake of creation, there'd be no need to form humans by joining two chimpanzee chromosomes together. So to keep god in the picture you have to postulate a god that fakes evidence of evolution as a "test", a global conspiracy of scientists where not even one owner of a microscope & smartphone dares to post a picture disproving it or a god that works through natural phenomenon in which case evolution is true. Or, y'know, just rant that "it's just a theory" and "there's no evidence" when there's libraries worth of evidence...
@Faust76

[quote] Evolution doesn't *necessarily* prove that there wasn't creation to start it off,[/quote]

Agreed. While a creation event is am unnecessary postulation, the fact that evolution has occurred does not prove that one did not take place.