How does creation answer this? It's the scientific consensus that modern birds evolved directly from theropod dinosaurs. [Spirituality & Religion]
We even know now that many or even most theropod dinosaurs had some form of feathers. What they also had were clawed forearms, some of which turned into wings.
We see those same forearm/wing claws on some modern birds like the emu, the cassowary and the hoatzin.
This makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective since modern birds evolved from dinosaurs but how does creation explain it? Why did god make two different "kinds" of animal with such startlingly similar anatomy when some of them don't even [i]use[/i] that anatomy?
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I find it weird that creationists don't belive something simple like this but will believe in something infinitly more complex like a God. If you can't explain something simple how do you explain something infinitly more complex.
They seem to skate over that fact. A god is at LEAST as complex as the universe but they seem to think that by saying "god has always existed" that this can be ignored.
@Pikachu Even ignoring that they never explain how miracles work. Like goddidit. Okay yes but how. They then come back you don't need to know how something works for it to work. But that isn't the point. Yes my car works but I want to know how it works. Just like I want to know how this other stuff works.
@canusernamebemyusername I find it weird that someone can accept the argument that life came from nothing and the extremely complex and complicated universe randomly chose earth of all planets and stars to deposit randomness clumps of stuff that turns into a cell, then a fish, then a watch, then a animal then us..
Either way, it takes as much or more faith to believe that, than the simple concept we have a creator
@Deadcutie That is okay. I understand it enough for some people. But I'm just curious about everything. Even if the knowledge is forbidden. Thank you for answering nicely.
@canusernamebemyusername but then again even in evolution, you can鈥檛 pinpoint how life began, or what was before either, so you鈥檙e in the same predicament.. you still have to have faith on how it all began..
[quote]but then again even in evolution, you can鈥檛 pinpoint how life began,[/quote]
Sorry, i know you're kind of ignoring me here but can we just be clear on one thing?
The theory of evolution does not deal with the origin of life but the way life has since diversified. Abiogenesis is not the province of evolution.
It takes faith to say "this is how life and everything began". We don't have faith in how life began. We accept that it began and make observations from there.
I think that faith is easier for some people because then they don't have to worry about facts. It's a lot easier if you can ignore facts and just rely on faith.
My concern with just relying of faith is that it has the potential to limit the study of the natural world. There's lots of things that we don't know, probably more than we do, but the role of humanity is to look for those answers. When someone believes that the answers have already been given to them, they may be reluctant to explore further.
@canusernamebemyusername It can be comforting, but I personally don't miss it. The world is such a wonderful and exiting place that it needs to be explored and questioned. I found the whole concept of believing that it was all the work of God and that all the answers could be found in his word was not satisfying.
@Bushranger Yeah. Even when I had faith I was curious and questioned everything. Not because I was an anti authoritarian but I just wanted to know how everything worked. At most I can do now is be a panthiest.
@canusernamebemyusername Pantheism is pretty cool. There's a branch called scientific pantheism, very tempting lol. How did it go with your fellow Christians when you questioned everything. I recall being told that I was just being difficult and all I needed was more faith. Didn't help their cause I must say.
@Bushranger Pretty well. They knew I was always a questioner. And if they didn't have the answers that never pretended they did. I think that was nice. No one like people on here who absolutely can't stand being wrong. I was lucky.
@canusernamebemyusername You were. I was lucky to have a father who had asked those questions himself over the years. When the Church couldn't answer them, he could. One of his best answers was "I don't know, let's see if we can find out." Mind you that was many years before the internet too. Good thing we had libraries lol.
@canusernamebemyusername [quote]But the creator has to be much more complex than the creation. How does the creator get explained?[/quote] That's the question I always ask. I also point out that any explanation as to the origin of a "creator" could more easily be applied to the universe. thus rendering a creator redundant. No creationist has ever provided a logical answer.
@canusernamebemyusername [quote]even when I had faith I was curious and questioned everything.[/quote] I was the same when I was a christian. I quickly discovered asking awkward questions was very un-christian. The reactions of christians I thought were friends is why I'm no longer a christian.
