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How does creation answer this? It's the scientific consensus that modern birds evolved directly from theropod dinosaurs. [Spirituality & Religion]

We even know now that many or even most theropod dinosaurs had some form of feathers.
What they also had were clawed forearms, some of which turned into wings.

We see those same forearm/wing claws on some modern birds like the emu, the cassowary and the hoatzin.

This makes perfect sense from an evolutionary perspective since modern birds evolved from dinosaurs but how does creation explain it?
Why did god make two different "kinds" of animal with such startlingly similar anatomy when some of them don't even [i]use[/i] that anatomy?

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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Consensus is not proof. Scientific beliefs change over time.
@hippyjoe1955


Certainly. And this one will change too if and when sufficient evidence comes to light.
But that hasn't happened yet nor does it look likely.

But pointing out that it is not proof is not a reason to ignore the consensus and it's not an answer to this question.

How does creation answer this?
This would be another one of those interpretations of the evidence which appears to be better explained by evolution than creation.
You're welcome to dispute that.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu It is reason to ignore the consensus. Consensus means nothing. Every great breakthrough has come 'against the consensus.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 I always marvel at your self-imposed intellectual paralysis. Yes, every breakthrough has come against the consensus - and you'd disregard both out of some weird and thoroughly useless principle.
@hippyjoe1955

It's not a reason to ignore the consensus.
By that logic we should ignore the consensus that the earth is round.

[quote] Every great breakthrough has come 'against the consensus.[/quote]

Yup. And when someone presents evidence which invalidates the consensus it will change.
You ignore the finding [i]after[/i] it is disproved, joe. Not before.

So shall i take it that you won't be answering the question in this thread?
A simply yes or no will suffice.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu I guess in a few years you will realize that the consensus you hold so dear today has been cast aside by a new consensus. Much like the consensus that was taught as scientific orthodoxy that ALL the dinosaurs died out.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Give yourself a few years and you will become as cynical about science as I am.
@hippyjoe1955

Could be.
But again, i'll wait until [i]after[/i] the evidence has been presented.

So that's a "no" to answering the question.
I understand.
It [i]is[/i] a challenging one.
Have a think about it and get back to me if you like.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu Not at all. I don't believe in evolution. It lacks causation. You believe in magic mud. Enjoy!
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Holding onto a particular consensus and getting invested as an outsider non-scientist is silly - it's supposed to change and evolve, and occasionally superseded.

You're seriously missing the whole point of the endeavor.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Nope. Since it doesn't have any serious effect on my life I am completely free to discard the 'consensus' in the main because it is consensus and not proof or evidence. If you want to follow all the trendies enjoy. I refuse. I look for evidence not consensus.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Hence the paralysis.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul On your part not mine. I don't fall enthralled at the latest 'scientific' consensus. Seen too many lies disguised as consensus.
@hippyjoe1955

The latest scientific consensus being over 30 years old at this point. So trendy lol

[quote] I look for evidence not consensus.[/quote]

Excellent. So then you reject this consensus off the back of evidence.
I'd be pretty interested to see that evidence.
Why don't you share that with us now?
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 You end up with nothing at all.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu And the last one lasted over 100 years. Please move on. You are clueless.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 [quote]It lacks causation[/quote]

You're [i]still[/i] confounding causation and causality? Really? After all this time, I had hoped otherwise.

Does that mean that you're [i]still[/i] claiming that there's no life on Earth?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Actually I gain a lot by not following the scientific nonsense.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 No I use my words carefully. Causation not causality. We are not here by accident.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 Yet you're saying that we're not here at all
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 Do you not understand Causation? Wow. Talk about clueless.
@hippyjoe1955

...he said, pretending i hadn't just asked him for the evidence he claims to have which allows him to ignore the consensus that birds evolved from dinosaurs.

Ok joe.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 Your difficulty is that I do understand causation, and that I also understand causality... and that I know the difference between the two.

Despite your claim, there actually is life on Earth.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@hippyjoe1955 You've resorted to pointless insults quite early in the piece this time... why is that?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu There is no evidence of evolution. There is fossils of fully developed functioning life forms we call dinosaurs. We don't see them any more. We now see birds. Some of the fossils could be interpreted to say the present birds are descendants of dinosaurs. However the similarity can also be interpreted as both creatures share a common Creator. The only real science that is worth listening to is the science that allows both options. Ruling one or the other out is no longer science it is religion.
@hippyjoe1955


[quote]an also be interpreted as both creatures share a common Creator[/quote]

lol guess what, joe?
While you're plainly avoiding actual contradictory evidence, you [i]have[/i] just managed to work yourself back around to the original question of this thread!😃👍


Assuming a creator, why did god make two different "kinds" of animal with such startlingly similar anatomy when some of them don't even use that anatomy?

Time to answer it.