Christians: Do you think you have a superior moral code to that which an atheist may achieve without god? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Speedyman

Could be. But i haven't said christianity is a moral code. I've asked whether christians believe they have a superior moral code.

But you're very question implied that Christianity was a moral code . I am saying that your question misses the fundamental point about Christianity. I have known atheists with very high moral codes . The problem is of course there is no real logic to them having them apart from the fact they were brought up in the Judaeo-Christian tradition . @Pikachu

@Speedyman

Well now i've corrected your assumption🙂

You haven't corrected anything. Just look at yoyr question @Pikachu

@Speedyman

lol bud.
Just because you've inferred something does not mean that it was necessarily implied.
Sorry for your confusion.

@Speedyman Religion is neither the source nor the arbiter of morality

Taking that on board of course you make the huge mistake in assuming that Christians feel they are morally superior to other people. Actually to become a Christian the first thing you must do is to realise you are a sinner before God and need forgiveness . Christianity is not for nice people it is for sinners . Jesus said I do not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. It is this realisation that we are not good enough that brings us to Christ. So we do not become Christians because we are seeking a moral code we become Christians because we know we've failed a moral code. Jesus said, 'blessed are the poor in spirit' - ie those who realise they can't make it on their own and need forgiveness. So if you see a guy shouting about how good they are they probably aren't a Christian . ' @Pikachu

With atheism there is no logical point in morality as we are a chance happenning. @newjaninev2

@Speedyman

[quote]assuming that Christians feel they are morally superior to other people.[/quote]

But i haven't assumed that. I've wondered that and then asked the question😉

@Speedyman So the only reason for you to behave morally is your belief in a magical entity?

@Speedyman

[quote]With atheism there is no logical point in morality as we are a chance happenning. [/quote]

Do you only keep from murdering and stealing because you think there's a purpose behind reality?

You really need to think about things before you ask a question. Your question implies that@Pikachu

@newjaninev2 if you actually read what I put you would see that I do not believe that neither do I believe in a magical entity like you do.

@Speedyman

Again, what you infer is not necessarily what is implied.
Maybe you need to make fewer assumptions. You know what happens when you assume😉

Not at all. There are many people who keep from murdering people because they will be thrown in prison@Pikachu

You appear to think that it is the responsibility of the person to interpret your vague question. As a person who has set many questions in my time I always looked on it as the responsibility of the person setting the question to make themselves clear. As usual you have your priorities wrong@Pikachu

@Speedyman

Do you only keep yourself from murdering and stealing because you believe there is a purpose to reality or fear of prison?
If you found out tomorrow that there definitely was no god or purpose and the police disappeared would you start raping and stealing?

@Speedyman

[quote]ou appear to think that it is the responsibility of the person to interpret your vague question. [/quote]

Another faulty assumption.
If i thought that the i wouldn't have taken the time to clarify my meaning for you.
Bud. Just stop lol

No for me it is fear of God. But I can only talk for me. There is also of course upbringing in that I was brought up not to steal or kill or rape. The fact is your questions are hypothetical because there is a God I have to answer to just as there are police in society. And there is my upbringing by extremely decent people who had high moral standards . @Pikachu

@Speedyman


Oh so you recognize that there are other reasons for moral behaviour. Good.
So even an atheist living in a purposeless universe has logical reasons to behave morally.

You have a defence mechanism whereby you try and put the fault on to other people which lie in yourself. This is a sign of your own insecurity. If you want to grow as a person, just take someone else's criticism on board. If I set a daft question and somebody criticised it I didn't try and fight my corner but rather try to make the question clearer. In fact I appreciated the other persons input.@Pikachu

I have just told you that. I have told you that all along. I don't know whether you can read but I have told you that about three times. Of course there are plenty of good living people who do not believe in God or at least do not take God seriously. What I am saying is that there is no logical reason, perhaps outside of fear of law, for them remaining moral. I have visited countries where the law is not tomorrow and is corrupt and the whole country is corrupt. Citizens indulge regularly in corruption as they know they can get away with it. Perhaps if you expand your horizons you would know this@Pikachu

@Speedyman

[quote]. What I am saying is that there is no logical reason, perhaps outside of fear of law, for them remaining moral[/quote]

Then you contradict yourself.
Being raised by parents who instilled in you a sense of right and wrong is a logical reason for acting morally even in a universe without purpose.
Not wanting to hurt other people is a logical reason for acting morally even in a universe without purpose.
Valuing human well being is a logical reason for acting morally even in a universe without purpose.

Anyway, just think about that next time you trot out the notion that atheists with their lack of god and higher purpose don't have logical reasons for moral behaviour😉

@Speedyman


You have a bad habit of personally criticizing the person to whom you're speaking when they disagree with you.
Since we're peaking of insecurity.😉

Aaanyway. You appear determined to call me out for something. Based on your scattershot approach here, you don't appear concerned with what it is as long as you can nail me for it lol
I believe we can at least agree that this concludes the productive portion of this interaction.

You are pretty bad at logic. I can see you have never been educated in it . My parents having brought me up to do the right thing is not a logical reason but rather a behaviourist tendency I have . Not wanting to hurt people is not logical because if you are the sort of person who wants to get to the top no matter what then hurting other people is logical. If you have been to some of the places I have been to and want to make money, then hurting other people is all par for the course. The problem is that many, many people in this world do not value their fellow human beings. You have obviously led a very sheltered existence but I have travelled all over the world and seen some incredibly distressing sites of what happens when people don't value each other . Like killing fields and child slavery. I have also visited the remnants of atheistic regimes and seen what that leads to where men are just treated as machines to be disposed of. So go on living in your little world of illusion but it would do you good to go out and see the real world which is out there instead of Living in pretend world of the Internet dreaming . @Pikachu