Why doesn't god want me to believe in him? [Spirituality & Religion]

@hippyjoe1955

Ok. And?

@Pikachu If you want to know if you are one of His chosen - Ask Him.

@hippyjoe1955

Dude, i've been a seeker before.
Never heard a word from him. Never felt an instant of comfort, enlightenment, acceptance, power, WHATEVER.

Nothing. So i guess that's my answer lol

@Pikachu Could easily be. Of course doing everything you can to undermine Him isn't making you very appealing either......

@Pikachu [quote]Never heard a word from him. Never felt an instant of comfort, enlightenment, acceptance, power, WHATEVER.[/quote]
Same here. Even when I did believe it existed, I never really truly felt any feedback from it. I just kept telling myself that, one day... That day never came.

@suzie1960 And for me it was exactly the opposite.

@hippyjoe1955 Fine, it doesn't prove anything either way.

@suzie1960 Never said it did.

@hippyjoe1955

If you wish to characterize asking difficult and even critical questions as "undermining" then that is your choice.
But again, there was a time when that was not the case and he still didn't see fit to spark my faith...or he doesn't exist.

@Pikachu And yet millions of people over millenia all describe similar encounters. Funny how that is.

@hippyjoe1955

Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy. You know that, joe.

But there are many people over the years who describe encounters with bigfoot too. Or loch ness monster, or el chupacabra or alien abductions.
Is that good reason to suppose that these things exists?

However, this is rather beside the point, yes?
I earnestly tried to believe in your god.
The choices are either that he didn't want me or that he does not exist.
With the possible third option being victim blaming.

So which is it?

@Pikachu You don't even understand your own argument. Here is a hint - It doesn't mean what you think it means. A million people seeing the sun come up in the morning is not arguemntum populum. It is a million people witnessing the same event.

@hippyjoe1955

Ok. Let's accept that for the sake of argument.

So then you accept by the same token that bigfoot is real.
Many people over time are describing the same kinds of encounters. So this is evidence that we should accept the claim of bigfoot, yes?

If you disagree, please explain the distinction you're making.

@Pikachu Actually I don't know if bigfoot is real or not. Some people claim to have seen it and others deny it. I keep an open mind.

@hippyjoe1955

Sure. But i'm just going off the confidence with which you announced that many people have claimed to share a similar experience as evidence.

[quote]Funny how that is.
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That's what you said. So by that metric, bigfoot is just as likely as your god, right?
And so is the loch ness monster. And so is mothman and so is yeti and mokele mbembe and thunderbirds and werewolves.

But maybe you don't care for that comparison.
You'll agree that many people over many years have claimed to experience the muslim god. Is that evidence that they are correct?

@Pikachu Not really. The point is I have witnessed Yahweh but have never witnessed bigfoot.

@hippyjoe1955 Millions of people have said they've been touched by Allah. Millions have also said that they've not had any religious experience whatsoever. Who's right and who's wrong?

@Bushranger Actually no. Millions of people do not say they have been touched by allah. They say they believe in allah. Being touched by allah is contrary to islam.

@hippyjoe1955 Hair splitting, but that's ok.

@hippyjoe1955

[quote]he point is I have witnessed Yahweh but have never witnessed bigfoot.[/quote]

Well i haven't witnessed your god either but you announced that many people claim to have experienced him as if this should be considered evidence that he's real.

That is what you were trying to convey, yes?
If not, what was your meaning?
If so, does that count as evidence for the muslim's god?

@Bushranger Not hair splitting at all. muslims do not believe that one can be touched by allah. Your statement is false on the face of it. Calling out your falsehood is hardly hair splitting.

@Pikachu First of all I don't expect those who have not been called to believe in Yahweh anymore than I expect a man born blind to render an accurate description of a rainbow.

@hippyjoe1955

Ok, that's first of all.
Second of all, could you answer my question please?
Thanks.

@Pikachu I did answer your question. You just can't see the answer.

@hippyjoe1955

Let's not play that game.

I asked you a straight question. Just give me a straight answer.

Here, i'll repost it for your convenience and you can answer directly now.

Well i haven't witnessed your god either but you announced that many people claim to have experienced him as if this should be considered evidence that he's real.

That is what you were trying to convey, yes?
If not, what was your meaning?
If so, does that count as evidence for the muslim's god?

I'm sorry if i missed your answer before but i hope you'll show me the same courtesy that i am trying to show you in the interest of clear communication and post your answer here.

Thanks.