Why doesn't god want me to believe in him? [Spirituality & Religion]

@XReaganX

Well you'd have to ask others lol.
I might disagree with you if your answer is unsatisfying but i won't slam you.
Go ahead.

@Pikachu ok whew. Glad we can be civil. Anyway, someone asked the same thing in the bible thousands years prior to you. But that time has come and gone. Jesus already revealed himself to be the Son of God through his resurrection. He doesn't need to appear right in front of you or anyone else now.

If you want proof that God is real and Jesus is not some magician or something [i]investigate his resurrection. [/i] It's literally the most impossible trick of all time or it really happened. I was like you looking for proof that I wasn't just brainwashed or fed a bunch of lies in my upbringing, but that is THE ULTIMATE proof of his existence.

@Pikachu You heard it. An event that is impossible to investigate or verify is the only evidence you need.

@XReaganX Not to interject, but what exactly is the proof of the resurrection? I’m assuming your answer is the Shroud of Turin.

@daisymay not impossible to verify or investigate either. Scholars have investigated it.
People on their own looked into it.

If you believe it hasn't happened whatsoever, that the Romans are liars, or whatever of course you're not gonna know anything but your own understanding and arrogance. Just saying.

@Native No. It's not.

@XReaganX

Well of course god doesn't [i]need[/i] to do anything. It's more of a question of if his desire is that i should come to him and the bible isn't cutting it, why not come to me in a way that would be meaningful?

[quote] investigate his resurrection[/quote]

I actually am. In fact i've jst now finished watching a debate on that very thing lol.
But i think you're over simplifying the situation. It's not either an impossible trick or reality.
We're not just dealing with lord, liar or lunatic here. It could also be legend.
This seems entirely possible given that in the chronological order of the gospels as historians understand them, the story of the resurrection not only contradicts itself but seems to grow in complexity and miraculous qualities.
In short, i am not convinced by the story of the resurrection and god would know that. He [i]does[/i] know what [i]would[/i] convince me. So again, either he chooses not to or he doesn't exist.
So where does that leave me?

@XReaganX Thanks for the slam! How Christian of you.

@XReaganX Then what might this proof be?

@XReaganX

What did the romans say about the resurrection?
I know that flavius josephus describes what christians believe but nothing beyond that.

@Pikachu You’ve been watching or reading Hitchens, eh?

@daisymay Funny how I'm being told what's Christian by an unchristian.

I don't care for arrogant responses on ANY subject. Seriously because no one learns anything.

@daisymay

I don't know if it's impossible to investigate. It certainly seems impossible to verify.
The best you can do is to validate the sources which indicate that people [i]claimed[/i] and/or truly believed that the resurrection happened.

@Native

Actually haven't seen much of hitchen's stuff and haven't read any of it.

@Pikachu He has some great work on the matter.

@Pikachu To your point, God gives us free will. He knows what can prove his existence to you but chooses not to make a direct approach (like appearing right in front of you). He lets you decide what you will and doesn't force anyone to believe anything they don't want.

@Native

I'll have to check it out then

@XReaganX I was giving my comments to Pikachu and you attacked me for being arrogant. That's pretty much the height of hypocrisy, thus very Christian.

@XReaganX If god knows the outcome, you do not have free will. You simply progress through the path he knows you will.

@daisymay is it hypocrisy? Because you're claiming that that particular event never happened and you're certain it never happened so end of story. How is that not arrogant when there's still people trying to prove it never happened?

@XReaganX

I'm sorry, but the "Free will" argument is the one i find the most facile.

God wants you to love him freely. Yes. That's what we're told and i'm happy to accept that for the sake of argument.

Showing me that he definitely exists does not violate my free will in [i]any[/i] way.
I may decide to worship and love him or i may decide that based upon my reading of the bible he's an amoral monster.
THAT is where free will comes in.

It is not a violation of your free will to be shown definitively that fire is hot or that ice is cold. It is a fact of reality.
From there you can choose how you will incorporate that information in your life.
In the same way, knowing that god is real doesn't not hinder my free will to decide how that will affect my life.

@Pikachu Here's some food for thought. If the resurrection never happened and Jesus never rose again, his disciples and the followers he's accumulated would disband. There wouldn't be any sort of Christianity left. Even in the bible, you have doubting Tomas. He even saw Jesus and couldn't believe it. Lol

@Pikachu True. But he has said himself that the time for him walking the Earth was over until the second coming.

@XReaganX [quote]Because you're claiming that that particular event never happened[/quote]

Show me where I said unequivocally that it didn't happen, liar.