Kent Hovind Wins With The Truth [Spirituality & Religion]
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*sigh*
So in amongst all the straw manning and flawed analogies, we arrive at carbon dating.
Hovind either does not understand carbon dating or is deliberately misrepresenting it. Let's have a look:
He stumbles right out of the gate when he talks about using carbon dating on dinosaur fossils because carbon dating is only accurate up to about 50,000 years. There are of course many other forms of radiometric dating which do not have this limit.
Hovind mockingly announces that snails, seals and penguins have been found to have inaccurate carbon dates. That's absolutely true. But what do all these animals have in common? That's right, they're aquatic and this anomaly is a well understood phenomenon known as the Reservoir effect. While plants and land animals get their carbon-14 directly or indirectly from the air around them, aquatic organisms get it from the water. So while terrestrial organisms are getting the carbon from our atmosphere, aquatic organisms are absorbing carbon from things like limestone which gives them a much older apparent age.
This is known and in fact the example of the snail which Hovind cites can be found in a paper titled "Radio carbon dating: fictitious results in mollusk shells". The point of the paper is showing where carbon dating can be flawed, not that it is fundamentally inaccurate.
So Hovind is fucked coming and going, you see.
He is either [i]ignorant[/i] on the subject he's preaching or he's being[i] deliberately dishonest [/i]. Either way, he loses credibility.
So in amongst all the straw manning and flawed analogies, we arrive at carbon dating.
Hovind either does not understand carbon dating or is deliberately misrepresenting it. Let's have a look:
He stumbles right out of the gate when he talks about using carbon dating on dinosaur fossils because carbon dating is only accurate up to about 50,000 years. There are of course many other forms of radiometric dating which do not have this limit.
Hovind mockingly announces that snails, seals and penguins have been found to have inaccurate carbon dates. That's absolutely true. But what do all these animals have in common? That's right, they're aquatic and this anomaly is a well understood phenomenon known as the Reservoir effect. While plants and land animals get their carbon-14 directly or indirectly from the air around them, aquatic organisms get it from the water. So while terrestrial organisms are getting the carbon from our atmosphere, aquatic organisms are absorbing carbon from things like limestone which gives them a much older apparent age.
This is known and in fact the example of the snail which Hovind cites can be found in a paper titled "Radio carbon dating: fictitious results in mollusk shells". The point of the paper is showing where carbon dating can be flawed, not that it is fundamentally inaccurate.
So Hovind is fucked coming and going, you see.
He is either [i]ignorant[/i] on the subject he's preaching or he's being[i] deliberately dishonest [/i]. Either way, he loses credibility.
@GodSpeed63
Swing and a miss there, champ.
I have just given you a number of reasons suggesting that Hovind does NOT have a firm understanding of the subject matter.
Your *ahem* "rebuttal" amounts to "Nu UH!"
But we're not in kindergarten and so i will not accept this as a rebuttal.
You asked for areas where Kent -definitely a real, accredited doctor- Hovind is wrong.
I have shown you one.
If you wish to maintain that Hovind is speaking truth instead of ignorantly spouting rhetoric and misinformation, then make a [i]specific[/i] rebuttal to my post.
Can you do that? Can you do that for me, sport?馃槒
P.S. Since i've watched your video and responded to it, it's only fair that you watch at least some of mine and respond in kind.
Or are you afraid to see Hovind torn to shreds before your eyes?馃榿
Swing and a miss there, champ.
I have just given you a number of reasons suggesting that Hovind does NOT have a firm understanding of the subject matter.
Your *ahem* "rebuttal" amounts to "Nu UH!"
But we're not in kindergarten and so i will not accept this as a rebuttal.
You asked for areas where Kent -definitely a real, accredited doctor- Hovind is wrong.
I have shown you one.
If you wish to maintain that Hovind is speaking truth instead of ignorantly spouting rhetoric and misinformation, then make a [i]specific[/i] rebuttal to my post.
Can you do that? Can you do that for me, sport?馃槒
P.S. Since i've watched your video and responded to it, it's only fair that you watch at least some of mine and respond in kind.
Or are you afraid to see Hovind torn to shreds before your eyes?馃榿
GodSpeed63 路 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]Swing and a miss there, champ.[/quote]
I already hit my home run, champ, now it's your turn.
I already hit my home run, champ, now it's your turn.
@GodSpeed63
[quote]I already hit my home run, champ[/quote]
"Nu UH! Hovind is the greeetest and smrt and right!
Hee hee hee!!!馃槅馃槶
Yeah, really knocked it out of the park there....馃槒
See son, you're happy to challenge people to prove you wrong but when they DO, you tuck your little tail between your little legs and scurry behind the nearest excuse like the coward you are馃槀
Let's try again, shall we little buddy?
If you think i am wrong in my proofs that kent hovind doesn't know what he's talking about THEN PROVE ME WRONG!
lol it's as simple as that.
But you can't do that. Can you? 馃榿馃榿馃榿
[quote]I already hit my home run, champ[/quote]
"Nu UH! Hovind is the greeetest and smrt and right!
Hee hee hee!!!馃槅馃槶
Yeah, really knocked it out of the park there....馃槒
See son, you're happy to challenge people to prove you wrong but when they DO, you tuck your little tail between your little legs and scurry behind the nearest excuse like the coward you are馃槀
Let's try again, shall we little buddy?
If you think i am wrong in my proofs that kent hovind doesn't know what he's talking about THEN PROVE ME WRONG!
lol it's as simple as that.
But you can't do that. Can you? 馃榿馃榿馃榿
GodSpeed63 路 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]If you think i am wrong in my proofs that kent hovind doesn't know what he's talking about THEN PROVE ME WRONG![/quote]
I've done that already. You just can't bring yourself to admit it.
I've done that already. You just can't bring yourself to admit it.
@GodSpeed63
馃槒
lol oh yes?
Go ahead and copy/paste the part where you feel you proved me wrong about kent hovind.
Buuuut we both know you're not going to be able to do that, don't we champ?
So when you inevitably make another attempt to save face, make it quick mmkay?
Mmkay馃榿馃憤
馃槒
lol oh yes?
Go ahead and copy/paste the part where you feel you proved me wrong about kent hovind.
Buuuut we both know you're not going to be able to do that, don't we champ?
So when you inevitably make another attempt to save face, make it quick mmkay?
Mmkay馃榿馃憤
GodSpeed63 路 61-69, M
@Pikachu [quote]Go ahead and copy/paste the part where you feel you proved me wrong about kent hovind.[/quote]
What Kent Hovind said was true about creation and about evolution. So, why are you telling me to prove you wrong when I've done that so many times in the past? You're just too afraid to admit it.
What Kent Hovind said was true about creation and about evolution. So, why are you telling me to prove you wrong when I've done that so many times in the past? You're just too afraid to admit it.
GodSpeed63 路 61-69, M
@Pherick [quote]The really sad part is that you really can't see it.[/quote]
The really sad is that I can see it. It's not me that gets royally spanked for bringing crap up.
The really sad is that I can see it. It's not me that gets royally spanked for bringing crap up.
GodSpeed63 路 61-69, M
@Pherick [quote]Hmmm, so you can't see how badly you get spanked? Interesting.[/quote]
If I am, praise God for I am counted worthy to be His son. I haven't been spanked yet on here. If I do get spanked, it'll be by my Father in Heaven.
If I am, praise God for I am counted worthy to be His son. I haven't been spanked yet on here. If I do get spanked, it'll be by my Father in Heaven.
@GodSpeed63
lol gosh, what a conveniently [i]non-specific[/i] claim to victory.
But i'm a little bit too clever to allow your child-style attempts to redirect.
Let's review:
1)You challenged me to give an example of something Hovind got wrong.
2) I give the example of carbon dating and explain where he fucked up
3) You declare that Hovind is right
4) I challenge you to prove me wrong and explain why Hovind is in fact RIGHT regarding carbon dating.
5) You immediately abandon the specific instance where you and your buddy kent have been proven wrong and retreat into vague declarations which you will never specify.
If you can't do better than that then i'm afraid i haven't much more time to play with you...馃様
lol gosh, what a conveniently [i]non-specific[/i] claim to victory.
But i'm a little bit too clever to allow your child-style attempts to redirect.
Let's review:
1)You challenged me to give an example of something Hovind got wrong.
2) I give the example of carbon dating and explain where he fucked up
3) You declare that Hovind is right
4) I challenge you to prove me wrong and explain why Hovind is in fact RIGHT regarding carbon dating.
5) You immediately abandon the specific instance where you and your buddy kent have been proven wrong and retreat into vague declarations which you will never specify.
If you can't do better than that then i'm afraid i haven't much more time to play with you...馃様
GodSpeed63 路 61-69, M
@Pikachu He's assking the questions, not you.
@GodSpeed63
Not sure why you thought that would help you save face.
You challenged me, i answered, you backed down.
Simple as that.
If you disagree then go ahead and prove me wrong regarding hovind and carbon dating....
No? Nothing to say on that subject? lol colour me surprised馃槀馃憤
Not sure why you thought that would help you save face.
You challenged me, i answered, you backed down.
Simple as that.
If you disagree then go ahead and prove me wrong regarding hovind and carbon dating....
No? Nothing to say on that subject? lol colour me surprised馃槀馃憤
GodSpeed63 路 61-69, M
@Pikachu I wasn't saving face.
@GodSpeed63
[quote]I wasn't saving face.[/quote]
lol i know you weren't, little buddy. 馃榿
But do you really think that everyone reading this hasn't noticed that you continue fail to rise to the challenge.
You posted a video of kent's common talking points. You tried to call me out for criticizing him.
Not only did you fail to respond to the debate wherin dr dino gets his ass HANDED to him, you failed to rebutt my explanation of why kent demonstrably does not understand carbon dating.
You lost. And guess what? You're going to PROVE that you lost right here and now when you fail [i]yet again[/i] to refute
a
single
[i]word[/i]
Of what i've said.
Come on, coward. Make me laugh馃槈
[quote]I wasn't saving face.[/quote]
lol i know you weren't, little buddy. 馃榿
But do you really think that everyone reading this hasn't noticed that you continue fail to rise to the challenge.
You posted a video of kent's common talking points. You tried to call me out for criticizing him.
Not only did you fail to respond to the debate wherin dr dino gets his ass HANDED to him, you failed to rebutt my explanation of why kent demonstrably does not understand carbon dating.
You lost. And guess what? You're going to PROVE that you lost right here and now when you fail [i]yet again[/i] to refute
a
single
[i]word[/i]
Of what i've said.
Come on, coward. Make me laugh馃槈
GodSpeed63 路 61-69, M
@GodSpeed63
*ahem*
"You lost. And guess what? You're going to PROVE that you lost right here and now when you fail yet again to refute "
lol thanks for playing, coward馃槒
And thanks again for demonstrating to everyone reading which side of the argument the facts fall on馃榿馃憤
*ahem*
"You lost. And guess what? You're going to PROVE that you lost right here and now when you fail yet again to refute "
lol thanks for playing, coward馃槒
And thanks again for demonstrating to everyone reading which side of the argument the facts fall on馃榿馃憤
GodSpeed63 路 61-69, M