Science Still Points To God [Spirituality & Religion]

@Dolimyte Where's your evidence to support what you say is true? How do you know science has never pointed to God like you claim?

@Dolimyte Galileo, Kepler, Newton...ring a bell?

@GodSpeed63 because there is no evidence for god. God is the greatest non-answer that man has ever come up with. Whenever there has been a question that didn't have an answer, god did it. God can be used to explain anything at all, therefore it is lacking in any real usefulness. As science has continued to answer those previously unanswered questions, the things explained by god have become less and less. This is commonly known as the god of the gaps. We still have gaps in knowledge today. Things such as the origin of life or the universe. The origin of life is not understood, but science gets us closer to that understanding as it is investigated. There is no reason to think we won't figure it out with out having to resort to saying god was involved. We may never know how or why the universe began. It may prove to be ultimately unknowable. That is still no reason to say god did it. Its perfectly acceptable to say I don't know, when and answer is not evident.

@SheikYerbouti true those men believed in a god, but why? It was presupposed because thats what they were taught as children. Nobody has ever applied the scientific method to the world or the universe and then concluded that there is a god, without already having that bias.

@Dolimyte They did because it proved the existence of God. There's even a book written by a physicist "The Physics of Immortality " that proves of another dimension. People didn't want to believe in God, because they feared being held to account for their actions.

@SheikYerbouti [quote]They did because it proved the existence of God.[/quote]
Uhhhhh when did someone prove the existence of god? Did the entirety of humanity miss that event?

[quote]People didn't want to believe in God, because they feared being held to account for their actions.[/quote]
Quite the opposite. People DO wanna believe in god because they fear that their lives will be meaningless since we all eventually die.

@SheikYerbouti that is a book, not a peer reviewed paper. Have you read what other physicists had to say about it? It was no well recived.

As for people fearing being held to account for their actions, that does not require a supernatural being. Thats why we have laws, police and courts. You appear to be making the old you don't want to belive in god so that you can sin argument. This makes no sense and is insulting. Perhaps this vidoe will help.
[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az0t7OXmdLI]

@BlueMetalChick Again, please familiarize yourself with science and these particular examples.

So if I want to believe in a "God", why wouldn't I believe in one who thinks like I do? I can understand why those who don't want to consider the ramifications.

@Dolimyte Well, you will only quote that which supports your argument. There's lots who do like it. If you have to resort to letting a silly video argue your point, then that's sad. Where by the way, did the need for such laws come into being? Why, for example, is murder wrong?

@SheikYerbouti I didn't "need" the video. You probably didn't evdn watch it, did you? why is murder wrong? If you need someone to tell you that murder is wrong and the only reason you don't murder people is because you think god wouldn't like it or you don't want to go to jail, then you are just a shitty person.

@Dolimyte I didn't watch it no. If I posted a video on why God exists, you probably wouldn't watch it either or just outright dismiss it.
Why apart from a religious reason is it wrong? Make the case.

@SheikYerbouti this should be obvious, but ok. I don't want to be murdered. That would be bad. I don't want my loved ones to be murdered. That would be bad. I don't want anyone to be murdered. That would be bad. Therefore if I were to murder someone, you guessed it, that would be bad. I don't want to live in a world where people get murdered, so I don't murder. Is there a flaw in my thinking? Where does god fit in?

@Dolimyte See, I believe murder is wrong because humans are made in God's image, that's our "true worth". But, aside from that, where do you get the distinction of it being "bad"?

@SheikYerbouti because I thought about it for two seconds. Being dead is not a state I wish to be in. If some one put me in that state, I would consider that bad. I have learned that other people also don't want to be dead. So through my ability to sympathize I figured out murder is wrong.

By your logic, if one does not believe in god, then people were not made in his image, and thus have no value and murder is not wrong. Is that what you're saying?

@Dolimyte So, if others don't agree with your view are they bad? Point being that yes, without a Creator to tell you it's "bad" how would you know? Natural Law.

@SheikYerbouti if they think murder is ok, then yes, I would consider them bad. I just explained how I know its bad, without god. Why is that not a good reason to you?

@Dolimyte Because you haven't told us where the laws and morals originated from.

@Dolimyte How do you know it's wrong? You're stating a personal opinion. If someone else says they believe it's right, how can you accuse them of being wrong? This is as simple as I can put it.

@SheikYerbouti [quote]Again, please familiarize yourself with science and these particular examples. [/quote]
Are you really about to tell me of all people to "familiarize myself with science?" Which one of us has two degrees in physical sciences with a third one coming this year? Which one of us is employed at a scientific research institution? Which one of us has followed an education and career path of the sciences? Yeah, that's what I thought.

[quote]So if I want to believe in a "God", why wouldn't I believe in one who thinks like I do?[/quote]
You do. You believe in your god, that you like and you trust and that you were told is real from your upbringing. Just like everyone else does. Every Muslim thinks their god is the real one and the right one. Every Jew thinks it about their god, every Hindu thinks it about their cast of various gods. Every religious person thinks they just happened to be conveniently born into the one faith that got it right out of the uncountable number of religions that have existed over the course of human history.

[quote]I can understand why those who don't want to consider the ramifications.[/quote]
The funny thing is that YOU are the one who is scared of facing "ramifications." Because the entire crux of religious faith is to provide comfort that you'll continue to exist after death, in some form or another. Because you don't want to consider the possibility that death is truly the end, and that you're entirely gone. That concept is so overwhelming that you're forced to make up stories and create systems of beliefs to convince yourself that it isn't true.

And to be fair, I don't know if one continues on after death. How could I know that? I haven't died yet.

@BlueMetalChick [quote]Are you really about to tell me of all people to "familiarize myself with science?" Which one of us has two degrees in physical sciences with a third one coming this year? [/quote]

Do you really believe that science degrees and science awards make the scientist?

[quote]Because the entire crux of religious faith is to provide comfort that you'll continue to exist after death, in some form or another. [/quote]

What religious faith would that be?

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Do you really believe that science degrees and science awards make the scientist?[/quote]
Conducting science makes the scientist. And that's the difference here, I conduct science, you sit on your ass and make up stories, and get offended at people who actually look for the answers.

[quote]What religious faith would that be?[/quote]
What religion would that NOT be? Almost every religion believes in a higher power, but there are non-theistic religions. Theravota and Zen Buddhism come to mind immediately. But even those non-theistic faiths have claims for what happens after death. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all have concepts of heaven and hell. Hinduism claims reincarnation, as does Buddhism until one reaches Nirvana. Chinese folk religion believes in a nine-layered hell that one must pass through in order to atone for their wrongdoings, then they go to heaven. Egyptian folk religion believes in a system of one's soul being weighed against justice itself, before they are sent to either heaven or hell. What faith can you name that doesn't have a belief about what happens to a person when they die?

@BlueMetalChick [quote]Conducting science makes the scientist. And that's the difference here, I conduct science, you sit on your ass and make up stories, and get offended at people who actually look for the answers.[/quote]

Do you live my life or do I? I look for answers also but I know where I can find them. Science itself will never have all the answers but I know the One who does have all the answers. You can know Him also if you give yourself half a chance like I had to do.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Science itself will never have the answers but I know the One who does have all the answers.[/quote]
Half correct. Science doesn't have the answers and it probably never will. But you don't know "the one who does have all the answers." You just made that up. How can you be so flippant? So arrogant, so narcissistic? To just casually proclaim that you know the answer to a question tat has plagued humans for millennia, that history's best thinkers and brightest minds struggled with? And you just "know" it, intrinsically, just cos. And anyone who questions you is a fool in need of rebuking.

I'm a person with a pretty inflated self image and even I have trouble understanding someone who thinks that highly of their own knowledge.

@BlueMetalChick [quote]But you don't know "the one who does have all the answers." You just made that up.[/quote]

Again, I ask, do you live my life or do I? That is your opinion and not actual truth.

[quote]'m a person with a pretty inflated self image and even I have trouble understanding someone who thinks that highly of their own knowledge[/quote]

I can see that. What good is knowledge without actual truth to support it?

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Again, I ask, do you live my life or do I? That is your opinion and not actual truth.[/quote]
I don't need to live your life to know that you have no goddamn clue what happens to you after you die. Just like you don't need to live my life to know I don't have the superpower of invisibility.

[quote]I can see that. What good is knowledge without actual truth to support it?[/quote]
That's what I keep asking you. You substitute truth with shit you made up, and then you berate others who see through it.

@GodSpeed63 The morals come from me and from the trial and error of the countless generations that came before me. Morals today are far dirrerent than they were two millenia ago. A change that I think most people would agree was for the better. As for the laws, thats really impossible to say, as different laws were created at different times by different people. If we use murder as our example, then the first record of such a law goes back to 2100 BCE-2050 BCE as decreed by the Sumerian king Ur-Nammu. Although it was probably law long before that.

@SheikYerbouti you are right, that is my opinion. One I came to by using reason and my ability to sympathize with others. One that is also shared by most people. Your morals are also opinions. The difference is you form your opinions based on an appeal to an authority, in this case god, or more accurately, an old book that claims to be inspired by god. Mine can be changed based on new evidence, yours are static and out dated. Yours are also ill defined and open to interpretation. That book has been used to justify many heinous acts through out history.