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@SW-User Everywhere. All over the world God works alone and through his people in spite of the god of this world. The god of this world is temporal. Truth is the eventual outcome of everything. Truth is thermodynamic equilibrium. The god of this world is entropy, and is destined to cease.
@SW-User In the spiritual world, it works just the opposite of how things work here, and that’s why you can’t understand it, because it deals with the spiritual realm. Therefore, the “proof” you demand, requires [u]faith[/u] in order to reveal itself. It’s up to you to seek Him out for your proof. If you can’t accept that, then you’ll never find Him.
In the spiritual world, things work just the opposite of what you think. Your thoughts are not God’s thoughts. You don’t get to set the standard for God, and then demand proof from Him. He sets the standards, not us. Faith is not belief without proof. It is trust without reservation. For example: In the spiritual world, the “proof” of things hoped for, comes [u]after[/u] it has materialised... and [u]because[/u] of one’s faith. What evidence is it that you would accept for God? Honest atheists, like Richard Dawkins, admit that there is almost nothing that would convince them of God. If a giant finger was to write in the sky, "I exist", they would find some alternative way of explaining it. Anything other than believing in an almighty personal Creator.
Reaching out in faith, is not believing for something that does not exist, but rather receiving something that God has already made available in the Spiritual realm, and bringing it into our natural realm. The spiritual realm is a very real world, invisible to the natural eye, but visible to the eye of faith. We can see the “proof” of spiritual activity, from all the evil Satan thrusts on this world. However, for those who don’t want to believe, no explanation would be possible.
In the spiritual world, things work just the opposite of what you think. Your thoughts are not God’s thoughts. You don’t get to set the standard for God, and then demand proof from Him. He sets the standards, not us. Faith is not belief without proof. It is trust without reservation. For example: In the spiritual world, the “proof” of things hoped for, comes [u]after[/u] it has materialised... and [u]because[/u] of one’s faith. What evidence is it that you would accept for God? Honest atheists, like Richard Dawkins, admit that there is almost nothing that would convince them of God. If a giant finger was to write in the sky, "I exist", they would find some alternative way of explaining it. Anything other than believing in an almighty personal Creator.
Reaching out in faith, is not believing for something that does not exist, but rather receiving something that God has already made available in the Spiritual realm, and bringing it into our natural realm. The spiritual realm is a very real world, invisible to the natural eye, but visible to the eye of faith. We can see the “proof” of spiritual activity, from all the evil Satan thrusts on this world. However, for those who don’t want to believe, no explanation would be possible.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Amen to that!! LadyGrace, one exception, there are no such people that are atheists or a cult known as atheism. Even though they'll continue to call themselves that, it's another display of their ignorance, they'll always believe in some type of god and put their faith in that god. The only atheists are skeptics lying six feet under a headstone.
@GodSpeed63 True.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@GodSpeed63
Sorry can you be more specific?
Because there are atheists like me who don't believe in a god.
Now, you'd be correct in saying that everyone has something in their life on which they place great importance or even over which they obsess, but this does not a god make.
Perhaps you can share an example of what an atheists's god might be
Sorry can you be more specific?
Because there are atheists like me who don't believe in a god.
Now, you'd be correct in saying that everyone has something in their life on which they place great importance or even over which they obsess, but this does not a god make.
Perhaps you can share an example of what an atheists's god might be
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@GodSpeed63
But look: even you are putting "worship" in quotes.
You're using "god" in such a non-specific, wishy washy way that it has no meaning.
If i pursue money in my life then money is not my god. It may be my passion, my goal but that is not the same thing as a god. I don't think it created me, i don't think it has supernatural power, i don't think it cares about me or has a plan for me, I don't honour it, i don't pretend it can guide me morally.
In short, these things in our lives fit NONE of the prerequisites of a god.
So yes, there ARE such things as atheists.
But look: even you are putting "worship" in quotes.
You're using "god" in such a non-specific, wishy washy way that it has no meaning.
If i pursue money in my life then money is not my god. It may be my passion, my goal but that is not the same thing as a god. I don't think it created me, i don't think it has supernatural power, i don't think it cares about me or has a plan for me, I don't honour it, i don't pretend it can guide me morally.
In short, these things in our lives fit NONE of the prerequisites of a god.
So yes, there ARE such things as atheists.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@GodSpeed63 [quote]there are no such people that are atheists[/quote]
atheist - etymological root from the ancient Greek, meaning [i]without god(s)[/i]
1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I'm an agnostic atheist)
As Pikachu has pointed out to you so well, there is no meaning in your attempt to unilaterally assign gods as and when it suits your purpose.
“When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."
( Lewis Carroll: [i]Through the Looking-Glass[/i])
atheist - etymological root from the ancient Greek, meaning [i]without god(s)[/i]
1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate gods, and the postulation explains nothing... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods (I'm an agnostic atheist)
As Pikachu has pointed out to you so well, there is no meaning in your attempt to unilaterally assign gods as and when it suits your purpose.
“When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."
( Lewis Carroll: [i]Through the Looking-Glass[/i])
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
I put the worship in quotes for your sake, not mine. True worship of my Father in Heaven (God) is a relationship of father and son. I love Him because He first loved me. You can't serve two masters, God or money. You'll either love the one and hate the other, or serve the one and despise the other. (Matthew 6:24) If you're not serving God then you're serving money, and therefore, money is your god. Don't get me wrong, wealth is not a sin unless it becomes your god.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 As I pointed out before, if there was no God, the desire to create one will never enter the heart of man because man will never have any knowledge of God. There would no religions, no denominations, and no false gods.