Do atheists go to heaven? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Klesingo Atheism and libertarianism have nothing to do with each other whatsoever.

@Klesingo Which atheist is not a libertarian? Uh...me?
Out of curiosity, do you know how god votes? Is he wearing a MAGA hat or trying to help the more unfortunate?

@QuixoticSoul It is here in the country. I haven't seen an atheist here on the net who wasn't a libertarian. And libertarians have things in common with Nazis. I hear in America this toxic mixture is called Alt Right. From this I conclude that the atheists of the 21st century are mostly sons of bitches who go to hell. It's that simple.

@Ynotisay I don't think God wears a MAGA hat. And since atheists do not believe in God, I assume most of them wear MAGA hats.

@Klesingo You do know I was referencing the United States, right? You might want to look in to this one a little more.
But your kind, loving Christian message about atheists was appreciated.

@Klesingo This is a fairly bizarre viewpoint tbh. If you want some actual numbers, 69% of atheists lean Democrat - and if you know anything about American politics, you know that libertarians vote republican.

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-family/atheist/party-affiliation/

Ironically, American libertarians complain about how hard it is to find a libertarian atheists.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/1bo0tg/why_is_it_so_hard_to_find_libertarian_atheists/

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/01/13/why-are-atheists-overwhelmingly-left-wingers-in-which-i-out-myself-as-a-libertarian/

And write articles how despite appearances atheism is not actually incompatible with libertarian politics.

http://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/penn-jillette-is-libertarianism-compatible-with-atheism

I have no clue how you managed to form this opinion, but it's pretty far from reality.

@QuixoticSoul Thank you for your information. In Germany it is exactly the other way around. Here "the Republicans" are the atheists who insult Christians as liberal wimps. But at the same time these atheists denounce the fact that leftists and refugees violate the Christian value of non-violence. They refer to enlightened values such as rationality and civilization, but are themselves irrational and uncivilized. For me, atheism is associated with lies and dishonor.

@Klesingo Germany has an absolutely massive amount of atheists - and East Germany is perhaps the least religious place on Earth (in one famous study, they couldn't find a single person under 28 who believed in God over there). If German atheists voted along the lines you're saying, you guys would be living in a libertarian paradise (that is to say, a complete shithole). But your massively atheist East votes CDU. And your young voters, which tend to be the least religious group around, tend to lean left - like most young people around the world.

And looking around the pattern tends to repeat. In Norway, there are more atheists than Christians, and once again - not exactly a libertarian bastion. Nordics in general have high atheist proportions, but libertarian politics don't seem to be making much of a headway there.

Really, atheism and libertarianism simply have nothing to do with each other, and historically, atheists are relatively unlikely to be libertarians all around the world.

@QuixoticSoul Right-libertarianism does exist. They switched to Alt-right. This is Nazi 2.0 and a big danger. They denounce human rights as christian nonsense. They're becoming more powerful and dangerous. They want a "lean state" and "law and order" like in the USA. We would finally all have to live like in a concentration camp. When people suffer they don't care, because for them there is no God to punish them. There used to be left-wing atheists, they were ok. But these right-wing atheists smell of death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-libertarianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

@Klesingo Yes I know that they exist. And in something of a reversal from previous right-wing movements, they are friendlier to atheists than their forefathers - they still tend to want to preserve dominant cultural traditions of their states, but put less focus on Christianity.

But atheists tend to be the minority in those movements, and none of them are inherently atheistic in nature - at best they donwscaled their overt religiosity into secularism.

Left-wing atheists still exist, and in fact, most atheists tend to lean left. Your own German election definitively show that most atheists in your country vote for parties that promote human rights and social safety nets.

Note that USA is a massively Christian country where atheists are a small and distrusted minority.

Ah yes, the old "atheists are incapable of morality" chestnut.

The extreme right-wing AfD party received 13% in the last federal election. And most of the voters of this party are from the part of Germany, which used to be communist and where almost all are atheists.


That is true, but these East Germans without ethics imported their libertarian ideas from the USA. A lean state is simply not an idea that would have occurred to a traditional Nazi or Communist.


Not basically, but in this special case it is. I know that atheists in the US have problems. And that Dawkins actually wrote his book for them. But in Germany, which was little religious anyway, this book has strengthened fanatical haters of religion and thereby triggered a cultural struggle in which organized atheists and Bible fundamentalists entered into an anti-clerical alliance of purpose. So it often happens that opponents of religion quote the Bible to accuse Christians that their religious practice is not strict enough. Atheists with the behavior of the Bible Belt - madness, thanks to the USA.