We are still evolving. Darwinian evolution takes place over hundred and thousands and millions of generations. The problem I see now is that we are making life so "comfortable" in the West that we are going to devolve as a species since we no longer need things like muscle mass and reaction time in order to survive and reproduce.

But @seotel.. respectfully I would point out that you did ask for people's thoughts... you didnt say that only those who agree with you or who believe every word of the bible can comment.. It's only fair to hear the other side...In my experience those who believe strongly often do so blindly.. as in blinding themselves to any evidence, opinions or evidence that disproves their belief.. It's as if these people are stuck and cannot move forward or learn.. I respect you as a person and your right to believe as you wish.. but it often is very, very, very illogical and wholly against the actual evidence.

Scientific evidence proves and supports what the Bible says concerning the falacy of the theory of evolution.

www.wired.com/2014/12/fantasticallly-wrong-thing-evolution-darwin-really-screwed

"Fantastically Wrong: What Darwin Really Screwed Up About Evolution"
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http://scienceagainstevolution.info/v13i8f.htm

"Why Evolution Is False"
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If the links don't go through type in the title to the articles.

There are truly not any hardcore, concrete answers to this question mljenkins. Scientific so-called evidence has left many more confused than ever. I do not believe in evolution but I do believe that man is a product of God creating him. There is no evidence in the Bible that mankind evolved from an ape or fish or etc. :)

Having the answer from an imperfect scientific human's standpoint would not phase me one way or another. I'm just curious in seeing what others believe or think about the evolution of mankind theory.

What I'm trying to check out is your claim that there's "mountain loads of evidence against evolution".
Now it seems that rather than back up that claim, you expect me to do it for you.
Are web links going to be doing the talking for you now, or are they going to be doing the thinking for you?
seotelkniwt, why ask us all for our thoughts when you're not willing to offer any of your own?

@Seo... Nothing in the bible is inconsistent with Darwinian evolution and there is much fossil evidence to support lower hominid species walked the earth before Homo Sapiens. Every major Christian denomination has accepted the vast body of scientific evidence behind Darwinian Evolution as the method of God's creation. Why do you not??

The Theory of Evolution doesn't operate on faith, it operates on evidence.
You say there's no evidence, yet you don't say why there's no evidence.
Refusing to look doesn't mean that there's nothing to see, it just means that you're liable to walk into a wall

It then bleats on about changes occurring in our life time.. no one said huge changes do occur in our lifetime.. it's a very gradual process.. it talks about plants transforming into completely different plants... well that isn't how it works.. they don't transform as such and they don't do it in our life time.. no one said they did.. generally even plants show small and slow adaptations.. and generally you end up with variations of the same type of plant rather than different types as such..

The wording is just unscientific and illogical and that's not anti bible bashers.. just that it IS unscientific and there is no evidence they are offering.. cos what they say is NOT how evolution works.. shows how little they understand it tho.. and more to the point how little those who read this unscientific unsubstantiated propaganda know :(

crowbait- this quote tells you all you need to know about where this is heading:
"I don't go by scientific evidence unless it supports the Bible"

If there's so much evidence, then let's discuss it.
After all, even a single falsification will destroy the theory of evolution, so it should be a simple task.

sarabee**** I'm not part of "every major christian denomination/religion" Our/my organization of JW's do not support the falacy of evolution and if other religions support evolution they are going against what the Bible says about man's beginning.....The Bible gives the satisfying answer concerning how man got here. Other supposedly "major christian denominations" obviously do not know that the answer is right there in the very pages of the first Bible book called Genesis and those MAJOR religious denominations SHOULD be accepting the Bible's true explanation of man's creation rather than some falsehood that thoroughly reeks of inconsistencies and that has many holes in it's claims (Genesis 2:5-25) (Genesis 1:24-31)

@Seotelkniwt... Do you find it curious at all that the order of Creation from Genesis matches exactly what scientists would theorize about the order of events in the creation of the universe and the world as we know it today? Pretty coincidental, eh?

And please don't tell me that you believe that the "day" mentioned in Genesis is a 24-hour day? Right? Before you answer, remember that the Earth (and therefore the 24-hour day) did not yet exist in the first day of Creation, so how could the "day" be today's 24-hour day? Unless you are reading Genesis in Old Hebrew, then you cannot claim to be reading the Truth.

If you had the answer to this question, what would you do with it? Would it change your life, if so, how? Where will this information, if you could get it, get you in your life? Not trying to be cynical, just curious.

If people Adaydre***** would simply express their opinions of their belief/non belief of evolution and not their opinions of others beliefs this would be a decent thread, but it has degraded to derogatory remarks concerning the Bible, something of which I wholeheartedly believe in.....I have stated that I believe in the creation of mankind and not evolution, yet others deem it necessary to change this thread into a debate platform.... Saying that someone's beliefs is "very, very, very illogical" doesn't make sense to me if you don't know really what your saying or talking about. Now that's "illogical and wholly against the (scriptural) evidence on others part.

There is no evidence of evolution because you have not taken the time to see for yourself what's in the Bible. Just as you put your faith in the theory of evolution and I wholeheartedly put my faith in God's Word the Bible and what it says concerning how man came to be.....QUESTION: Would you bet your life on the theory of evolution? I wouldn't because you would lose. I will bet my life on the Bible because I know its accurate and true and if God says this or that happened, I believe it...

sarab****It is not good to be presumptuous in your comments. Those "days" mentioned in Genesis chapter 1 are not literal 24 hour days concerning the creation of the earth.....It did not take God that long to create humans as shown in the case of of Eve (Genesis 2:18).....The deep sleep that Adam was put under did not last for eons of years for God to remove a rib bone from Adam to create Eve, a woman. So it stands to reason that the creating of Adam did not take place over eons of year or centuries.....

I don't think we are evolving..we have reached a plateau, only changes we'll see, are those we make by interfering with dna

Yes, man is still evolving
Yes, the evolution of man is reasonable and logical.

I normally avoid these questions and there's already been a lot of pointless debate between people that won't change their views. The internet unfortunately is full of a lot of rubbish. A good starting point for more reliable appraisal of the common arguments can be found here:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/


My view is that the bible is a collection of stories,some possibly based on real events, that were handed down by word of mouth for centuries and have since been translated from the original languages. I don't give it any more value as an explanation of man's history than Greek or Norse mythology.

crowb***** Are you afraid to check out what the internet says concerning the falacy of evolution: I will provide links because I am through debating with you on this topic. The links will do my talking from this point on.

Also,I could/would reason with you concerning evolution but just as the Bible says: "There is NO reasoning with the unreasonable"... Any further comments from you will be addressed with a link.

apter@***** crowbait wants to debate and argue about evolution. I neither have the time or desire to do so. I've stated my Bible based view on evolution and she has stated her secular view on evolution. Case closed. There is/was no need to go any further. Her comments were antagonistic and demanding and I'm not in the business of accommodating those that want to argue or debate. It would be pointless to go on because she or others cannot change my Bible based views and I can't change her view.

First link comes up as page not found.. second is very clearly and by it's own definition an article that seeks to debunk the science.. so scientific? And even there... it doesn't dismiss evolution... it talks about the one cell.. just points out that we don't know where or how that original spark of life begun.. but doesnt say it wasnt evolution.. more unscientific diatribe follows

crowb*** you being a person not having faith in God or the Bible, or being spiritual minded, naturally it will not make sense to you. The purpose for of God doing that was to show just how close a man and woman would be to one another (Genesis 2:24,25)....It makes all the sense in the world. God said they would be "one" as husband and wife. God "blessed" their union.

crown**** your theory of evolution has many holes in it, the evidence of this falacy is on or has been standing on shaky ground. So-callled evidence and faith in evidence has proven to be disappointing. There have been fraud concerning the bones, fragments and fossil finds in connection with evolution Google, Bing or any search engine will show the inconsistencies in the theory of evolution

Seems like humans are mostly degenerating now.

My time is to precious and I will not waste it debating with persons who are here only to argue their opinion on evolution I'm not seeking out debates and arguments. You have the wrong person. You can argue amongst yourselves and if it gets to obnoxious the delete and block button will be my next option as I've already done to a couple on this thread. You are entitled to your opinions.

MalteseFalconPunch, thank you for pointing out the basic flaw in the question.
There's a common and persistent view of evolution as being some sort of 'progressive' process (creationists have a set of quite ridiculous images depicting a chimp morphing into a human).
The fact is, as you say, that's not how evolution works.

It's obvious isn't it?
Man's wife said "Don't you dare evolve!"

crowb****you seem to be confused on scientific evidence and scientific theory. If evolution were true wouldn't scientific theory be backed up with scientific evidence? Please be a tad more clearer in your assumptions.

@seltelkniwt says "There is no evidence in the Bible".
That's correct.

If you want evidence for evolution, try going across to some group like I Accept The Theory of Evolution.

You might learn something
Of course, you might not like what you learn

lol sorry but no science doesnt support it.. I will go read the link but no almost never does science back the bible.. what you DO see though is religious people disbunking science and claiming that their points are scientific.. not the same as science.. FOr instance.. muslims, (and im not muslim bashing here) believe, because they have been told, that women will get a disease if they have more than one partner at the same time.. they will search and find as much pseudo vaguely supportive stuff as poss on that and claim science backs their belief that it's wrong for a woman to have more than one sexual partner..
What they FAIL to give in their very edited very biased version of scientific support is that MEN are equally prone to STDs if they have more than one sexual partner and that it isnt WOMEN who pass on the stds its men and women.. and they fail to demonstrate that it isnt the fact that more than one man is the reason.. and that many many many women could successfully have two men, in teh same way men could have two women and NOT get an STD.. Selective science isnt scientific proof.. it's still brainwashing.

No scientific theory is ever proven, and scientific theories don't seek to be proven. They're accepted as long as they account for the evidence, and haven't been falsified

HBS, why do you feel that evolution doesn't apply to humans?
Is that some sort of wishful thinking, or do you have a reason for the idea?

crowb*** I don't go by scientific evidence unless it supports the Bible. The socalled "evidence" of evolution pertaining to man's beginning does not support the Bible and never will.....

Well we *are* evolving.. all the time .. with each generation.. we see kids getting taller..etc.. so we are. .but it is, and always was a slow process.. same with animals

Yes, geniUs, and that's why all this isn't actually going anywhere.
Lots of wheelspinning and smoke from seotelkniwt, but no forward progress.

It's precisely that scientific evidence that you seem determined to dismiss without actually examining it.

You keep talking about lack of evidence, but that's all you do.
Are you aware of the evidence that the theory of evolution stands on?

HBS, are you referring to theories, or to scientific theories (the difference is evidence)

That's what I'm asking you for. Even a small part of that mountain would be helpful. Go ahead.

seotelkniwt, what you just said is the very epitome of confirmation bias.
Quite an extraordinary statement.

There is sooooo much evidence online and offline to show/prove why the theory of evolution is wrong, fake, a falsehood....Sometimes people do not want to admit that what they've believed all these years is not true.

very very illogical was based on the fact that scientific evidence disproves what you say..

crowb**** are you aware of the mountain loads of evidence against evolution?

seotelkniwt what just happened to crowbait's comments? Did you delete them?

rip out a rib bone, use it to make another person, and then what? Put the rib bone back? Seems a bit pointless. If you made the person in the first place, why not just make another one?