Uncomplicating The "Complicated" Palestine/Israel Conflict - SOME MORE NEWS
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sascha · F
Unfortunately, themanhimself87 decided to block me.
However, I am still responding:
In 2006, an overwhelming number of Palestinians voted for Hamas. They were psychopaths then, and are psychopaths now. The PA doesn't want to associate with them, as they know they are psychopaths. If Gaza cannot or does not want to rid itself of Hamas, what should we do? I would rebel, or leave, if I lived there.
How can we get Hamas out?
All of these psychopaths were what you assume to be Palestinian victims at one point. How do we prevent them from becoming sadistic murderers? It took more than one person to murder 1,400 people in Israel.
Despite the obvious psychopathy from Hamas, it is Israel's duty to protect its people. I am saddened that they failed in this task, almost two weeks ago. If you protect your civilians and allow your civilians to protect themselves, it should not come to retaliation. People in the communities, with their hopes and their dreams around Aliyah, were left helpless and vulnerable. This sickens me. People in their homes, with their children, being attacked by pure evil...this is personal. I hate it.
Every one of us can view the state of Israel how we like, but the victims in the communities were not more powerful than Hamas. On the morning of October 7th, 2023, Hamas overwhelmed and destroyed these souls.
I thought people went to Israel to live, not die. Are those babies worth it? They are not.
However, I am still responding:
In 2006, an overwhelming number of Palestinians voted for Hamas. They were psychopaths then, and are psychopaths now. The PA doesn't want to associate with them, as they know they are psychopaths. If Gaza cannot or does not want to rid itself of Hamas, what should we do? I would rebel, or leave, if I lived there.
How can we get Hamas out?
All of these psychopaths were what you assume to be Palestinian victims at one point. How do we prevent them from becoming sadistic murderers? It took more than one person to murder 1,400 people in Israel.
Despite the obvious psychopathy from Hamas, it is Israel's duty to protect its people. I am saddened that they failed in this task, almost two weeks ago. If you protect your civilians and allow your civilians to protect themselves, it should not come to retaliation. People in the communities, with their hopes and their dreams around Aliyah, were left helpless and vulnerable. This sickens me. People in their homes, with their children, being attacked by pure evil...this is personal. I hate it.
Every one of us can view the state of Israel how we like, but the victims in the communities were not more powerful than Hamas. On the morning of October 7th, 2023, Hamas overwhelmed and destroyed these souls.
I thought people went to Israel to live, not die. Are those babies worth it? They are not.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@sascha only Palestinians in Gaza voted for Hamas, it wasn't an overwhelmingly majority, it was a plurality. The West Bank doesn't have Hamas in power. Are you advocating collective punishment? Is ethnic cleansing fair in punishment for an election decades ago in a piece of land that doesn't have free and fair elections?
A plurality of Americans voted for Trump.
Am I then to view all Americans as Trump supporters and ergo against LGBT rights, women's rights, for racism and for Antisemitism?
A plurality of Americans voted for Trump.
Am I then to view all Americans as Trump supporters and ergo against LGBT rights, women's rights, for racism and for Antisemitism?
BohemianBoo · M
@basilfawlty89 Also, Hamas was elected back in 2006. Most Gazans alive today never got to vote for their leaders.
sascha · F
@basilfawlty89 I am aware. An "overwhelming number" is that they received more votes than any other party. Gaza supported Hamas, with the exception of Rafah and two other places.
Nowhere have I advocated for collective punishment. But, I do believe the situation is hopeless. If you have a terrorist organization in control of a territory with numerous men of fighting age residing in it, it stands to reason that a considerable number could become terrorists, or psychopaths. We know that terrorist organizations train and recruit people. Armies train and recruit people. In Gaza, the possibility of becoming a psychopath is increased, as psychopaths rule it. If Gaza only has exposure to Hamas, they will only be led by Hamas. They could be led and influenced by their humanity and strength, but this doesn't seem very realistic.
If Hamas are not affected by these airstrikes, why would they be deterred from attacking in the future? What is Israel supposed to do? Help Gaza when it is governed by psychopaths? Get out of the West Bank and East Jerusalem? These are separate areas that don't affect Hamas.
Hamas won't agree to a two-state solution, and have no platform to do so after they ethnically cleansed southern Israel.
So, what are the answers? Clearly significantly better security from Israel, but what else?
Nowhere have I advocated for collective punishment. But, I do believe the situation is hopeless. If you have a terrorist organization in control of a territory with numerous men of fighting age residing in it, it stands to reason that a considerable number could become terrorists, or psychopaths. We know that terrorist organizations train and recruit people. Armies train and recruit people. In Gaza, the possibility of becoming a psychopath is increased, as psychopaths rule it. If Gaza only has exposure to Hamas, they will only be led by Hamas. They could be led and influenced by their humanity and strength, but this doesn't seem very realistic.
If Hamas are not affected by these airstrikes, why would they be deterred from attacking in the future? What is Israel supposed to do? Help Gaza when it is governed by psychopaths? Get out of the West Bank and East Jerusalem? These are separate areas that don't affect Hamas.
Hamas won't agree to a two-state solution, and have no platform to do so after they ethnically cleansed southern Israel.
So, what are the answers? Clearly significantly better security from Israel, but what else?
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@sascha wellllll, maybe instead of indiscriminate bombing with white phosphorus and ethnically cleansing half of Gaza, actually put boots on the ground?
The Israeli army is well funded and well trained, if they went in, they could kill the Hamas leadership without killing civilians.
The Israeli army is well funded and well trained, if they went in, they could kill the Hamas leadership without killing civilians.
sascha · F
@basilfawlty89 Hamas is also well funded and well-trained.
Entering Gaza is necessary if Israel is going to attempt to dismantle Hamas. Killing Hamas leadership is extremely difficult, though.
Their most senior leader lives in Qatar, and the rest of them live in underground tunnels. Those responsible for planning the savage attacks on Israel have been living underground for a very long time, otherwise Israel would have assassinated them already.
Numerous relatives of Hamas leaders have been killed in the airstrikes.
It's probable that many of the hostages have been taken underground.
There are around 30,000 Hamas combatants living in Gaza, and they would also need to be targeted.
Entering Gaza is necessary if Israel is going to attempt to dismantle Hamas. Killing Hamas leadership is extremely difficult, though.
Their most senior leader lives in Qatar, and the rest of them live in underground tunnels. Those responsible for planning the savage attacks on Israel have been living underground for a very long time, otherwise Israel would have assassinated them already.
Numerous relatives of Hamas leaders have been killed in the airstrikes.
It's probable that many of the hostages have been taken underground.
There are around 30,000 Hamas combatants living in Gaza, and they would also need to be targeted.
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@sascha better than indiscriminate bombing. Also, after the Israeli hostage crisis, Golda Meir allowed for the Mossad to assassinate those responsible.
Israel has Western backing, and the West are still the dominant economic force.
If Armenians following the Armenian Genocide could assassinate the perpetrators of the Genocide without any funding except by Armenians themselves, I see no reason why Israel can't.
Israel has Western backing, and the West are still the dominant economic force.
If Armenians following the Armenian Genocide could assassinate the perpetrators of the Genocide without any funding except by Armenians themselves, I see no reason why Israel can't.