Can you explain logically a right that obligates others? Rights are individual things. You have the right to free speech but we’re not obligated to buy you a megaphone. In the US we have the right to keep and bear arms but there are no free Glocks.
You have the right to pursue something not to demand it be given to you.
@redredred There are certain things I would consider and that are internationally already considered rights that may obligate others but also help others and are to the benefit of society as a whole. Of course it depends how it obligates others but your hyper individualism won't bring societies closer together or help preserve them.
Your disgusting ideology follows a hyper individualistic worldview that ruins society as evident in the US.
@BritishFailedAesthetic Not against individualism at all but hyper individualism is nothing but the promotion of egotism and always linked to consumerism which can be alienating
@redredred You nailed it. But the Bernie Bros pervert the concept of a "right" as something that should be free. And by free, they mean they want someone else to pay for it. It's the epitome of greed, but greed is the core tenet of socialism/communism. Then comes their crocodile tears act of the horror of capitalism. Under the Bernie Bro model, rights are no longer inalienable; they are granted by gov't. which completely undermines the Constitution.
@Gloomy Oh, ok so Gloomy's hobbies and passions are X @redredred enjoys startling people at the gun range and I like following Amnesty International..... and taking pictures of insects.
@Gloomy do you stick your finger down your throat to spew your Marxist vomit, or are you able to puke it up on demand? Yeah...I threw in the Constitution part as a reminder that it was designed to stop people exactly like you
@BizSuitStacy You would even call european social democracies marxist so that is worthless. The Constitution that was written years before communism and workers rights were even a thing? Your brain is fucked by the cold war era
@BizSuitStacy Well Marxist thought didn't but if you want to you could argue any fight for workers rights, any tribal society has communist elements to it.
What in the Constitution states that the economic system of the United States must be capitalism? If a democratically owned and controlled government does things for the common good of all citizens that can be described as socialism and it is specfically endorsed by the General welfare clause of the US Constitution.
@BizSuitStacy No history scholar or any person with a little education will agree with you on this. There is no evidence Che Guevara was a brutal killer or whatever fantasies right wingers like to come up with
@Gloomy [quote]What in the Constitution states that the economic system of the United States must be capitalism? If a democratically owned and controlled government does things for the common good of all citizens that can be described as socialism and it is specfically endorsed by the General welfare clause of the US Constitution.[/quote]
Nice word salad, Kamala. Any tips for the border?
[quote]There is no evidence Che Guevara was a brutal killer[/quote] Yep...he was a swell guy. Like Stalin, Mao, Fidel, Pol Pot, etc. etc. etc...🙄
@redredred Instead of looking at housing as a "right," maybe look at it as whether society in general is better off with it. For example, do you think it's better to step over homeless people on your way to work, or would it be worth it to place them in housing so you don't have to deal with that?
You could ask the same question about traffic lights. Your taxes would be lower if you didn't have to pay for things like traffic lights and the law enforcement to make sure people follow traffic laws, but your travel on the city streets would be severely impeded as a result. So the investment in them is worth it to most people. I see no reason why that concept can't at least be explored in other areas. Bringing "rights" into the discussion is unproductive as religious beliefs usually are.
@LeopoldBloom committee work. My point, and John Locke agrees with me, us there can be no such thing as a “right” that obligates the services of another. It’s a point that needs (sadly) to be restated regularly.
@redredred Then it's not a "right," it's a policy. Should we pay for public roads with auto registration fees, or should every street, including the one you live on, be a private toll road? The decision shouldn't be made for religious reasons ("God has decreed that no one may obligate the services of another"), but for purely pragmatic ones based on what works better.
@LeopoldBloom Again, those basic infrastructure policies are qualitatively different from cradle-to-grave handholding. I simply stated what a right cannot entail.
@redredred Cute that your example is just comparing it to random consumer stuff. Not having a magaphone or a glock doesn't generally result in your death. Not having housing in places like ND or MN is a death sentence.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Yes it does, as does overconsumption of alcohol or food or drugs. Would you favor a return to prohibition and food rationing? How about we let the nanny-state decide how much kale we should have to eat before we can get two-ounces of meat? Is that your vision?
It’s like this. I think it’s time we treated all but the most severely handicapped as functioning adults and leave it with the individual to provide for his or her needs.
@redredred Lol. Citation needed. And that is the most incoherent slippery slope fallacy I have ever seen.
Good you are coming out in favor of eugenics and social Darwinism. You can stop pretending you are not a fascist now.
The entire reason societies were even created was to take care of the whole. Any country who doesn't (the US fails spectacularly) is a failed society by definition.
Why not drop the pretense and start hanging the poor?
@redredred like always you fail to understand what society is and should be.
Comparing housing with consumption is your next flaw. Shelter is fundamental to human wellbeing and whether you have it or not is often out of individuals control.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Citation for what? If we’re looking for citations provide one for this idiocy, “The entire reason societies were even created was to take care of the whole. Any country who doesn't (the US fails spectacularly) is a failed society by definition.”
