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If you think human waste and pollution doesn’t contribute to climate change…

I grew up on the east coast and it’s unfortunate and circumstantial that I’m currently here, until summer anyway.

I was born in 1984, not too long ago 😆 but I live in an area that used to be a natural wonder yet still surrounded by many major cities. A beautiful clean beach and quirky, friendly little towns. In my short life I’ve seen incredible changes due to pollution, overpopulation and gentrification. Nobody cared about the native land, the wildlife. They built houses on sand, on the edge of the ocean that I’ve watched overcome by high tides and hurricanes. You can smell the waste from power plants, you can smell peoples shit because there’s nowhere for it to go. The salt water and coastline are often experiencing oil spills. I’ve seen the water rise and the beaches dredged to hold off nature and protect revenue. This area’s air quality dropped about 30% in my lifetime. We have extremely high cancer rates and no longer experience the seasons. In fall everything just dies, no pretty colors anymore. Everything is gray and bare until spring when it becomes so unbearably hot and humid and crowded you can’t enjoy the outdoors. You can’t even swim in the freshwater here anymore without catching something.

I drove up towards Philly this weekend and it’s just smog. Stinky, thick, choking smog. People living and jammed into apartments all the way around it.

Yes climate change is perfectly natural and I consider us humans along for the ride, BUT we are speeding up the destruction of sustainability for our species. We’re polluting ourselves and everything around us. We ARE changing our climate. We live in a big bubble and then each of us acts like we’re in our own personal bubble. Like nothing can touch us. Like if we say it isn’t happening then it isn’t. We make garbage like it vanishes after the dump truck drives off. We consume like resources are unlimited. We destroy like we know the future is secure.

We could do a lot better. I’ve been all over the western US and they seem to care more, and also have more space. But east coast is trashed. Not only are our byproducts toxic, but the attitude here is shit. You can’t be nice. You just can’t. You can, but then you’d better run because someone is going to think you’re prey.

Weird times in general. In my short life I’ve seen soooooo much destruction. And I fear for my son, what will be left for him? None of the rich politicians cares about you, your family, your future, they care about having money and having it now. So I don’t understand why people believe what they hear on TV. I’d say a majority of humans are fooled, seemingly unevolving when it comes to lasting as a species. We argue about almost everything and nothing improves. But we let our “leaders” decide the outcome? Geez… 😆
Why Republicans Turned Against the Environment
Aug. 15, 2022, By Paul Krugman, Opinion Columnist

In 1990 Congress passed an amendment to the Clean Air Act of 1970, among other things taking action against acid rain, urban smog and ozone.

The legislation was highly successful, greatly reducing pollution at far lower cost than business interest groups had predicted. I sometimes see people trying to use acid rain as an example of environmental alarmism — hey, it was a big issue in the 1980s, but now hardly anyone talks about it. But the reason we don’t talk about it is that policy largely solved the problem.

What’s really striking from today’s perspective, however, is the fact that the 1990 legislation passed Congress with overwhelming, bipartisan majorities. Among those voting Yea was a first-term senator from Kentucky named Mitch McConnell.

That was then. This is now: The Inflation Reduction Act — which, despite its name, is mainly a climate bill with a side helping of health reform — didn’t receive a single Republican vote. Now, the I.R.A. isn’t a leftist plan to insert Big Government into everyone’s lives: It doesn’t coerce Americans into going green; it relies on subsidies to promote low-emission technologies, probably creating many new jobs. So why the scorched-earth G.O.P. opposition?

The immediate answer is that the Republican Party has turned strongly anti-environmental over time. But why?

Surveys from the Pew Research Center show the widening partisan divide over environmental policy. In the 1990s self-identified Republicans and Democrats weren’t that different in their environmental views: Republicans were less likely than Democrats to say that we should do whatever it takes to protect the environment, more likely to say that environmental regulation hurts the economy, but the gaps were relatively modest.

Since then, however, these gaps have widened into chasms, and not in a symmetrical way: Democrats have become somewhat more supportive of environmental action, but Republicans have become much less supportive.

Most of the divergence is fairly recent, having taken place since around 2008. I can’t help pointing out that Republican belief that environmental protection hurts the economy soared precisely during the period when revolutionary technological progress in renewable energy was making emissions reductions cheaper than ever before.

Republican voters may be taking their cues from politicians and media figures. So why have conservative opinion leaders turned anti-environment?

It’s not about belief in free markets and opposition to government intervention. One of the most striking aspects of recent energy disputes is the extent to which Republicans have tried to use the power of the state to promote polluting energy sources even when the private sector prefers alternatives. The Trump administration tried, unsuccessfully, to force electric utilities to keep burning coal even when other power sources were cheaper. Currently, as The Times has reported, many Republican state treasurers are trying to punish banks and other companies seeking to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

What about the cynical view that the G.O.P. is simply in the pocket of fossil fuel interests? Obviously money talks, and contributions from coal and, to a lesser extent, oil and gas do flow mainly to Republicans. But the Inflation Reduction Act — which will open up many business opportunities — was endorsed by a number of large corporations, including energy companies like BP and Shell. Republicans were unmoved.

What has happened, I’d argue, is that environmental policy has been caught up in the culture war — which is, in turn, largely driven by issues of race and ethnicity. This, I suspect, is why the partisan divide on the environment widened so much after America elected its first Black president.

One especially notable aspect of The Times’s investigative report on state treasurers’ punishing corporations seeking to limit greenhouse gas emissions is the way these officials condemn such corporations as “woke.”

Wokeness normally means talking about racial and social justice. On the right — which is increasingly defined by attempts to limit the rights of Americans who aren’t straight white Christians — it has become a term of abuse. Teaching students about the role of racism in American history is bad because it’s woke. But so, apparently, are many other things, like Cracker Barrel offering meatless sausage and being concerned about climate change.

This may not make much sense intellectually, but you can see how it works emotionally. Who tends to worry about the environment? Often, people who also worry about social justice — either that, or global elites. (Climate science is very much a global enterprise.)

Even Republicans who have to know better won’t break with the party’s anti-science position. As governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney had a decent environmental record; yet he joined every other Republican member of Congress in voting against the I.R.A.

What this means is that those people hoping for bipartisan efforts on climate are probably deluding themselves. Environmental protection is now part of the culture war, and neither policy details nor rational argument matters.




Paul Krugman has been an Opinion columnist since 2000 and is also a distinguished professor at the City University of New York Graduate Center. He won the 2008 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences for his work on international trade and economic geography.
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@MalteseFalconPunch
And any problem where the government is the solution simply can’t exist.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic here! The classic examples of government solutions include:

Policing
National defense
Road construction
Regulation of monopolies
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robb65 · 56-60, M
I believe it's a given that the climate is changing and I believe it's a given that pollution is in some way affecting the climate. There's even speculation that pollution from the industrial revolution played a role in bringing about the end of the last mini ice age.
The problem I've got is that there's a big jump from "pollution is causing climate change" and "the world is quickly coming to an end if we don't do "X" right now. Many of the solutions proposed would result in people having no way to keep warm, travel to work, or grow crops. They really don't care how many humans die as the result of their "solution" as long as we save the planet and save it now.
Maybe you're not old enough to remember this, but not that many years ago it wasn't "climate change", it was "global warming" . Eventually the people pushing global warming realized there was a problem with "global warming" and changed to talking about "climate change" instead.
Before "global warming" there was a hole in the ozone that there was no way to repair and was only gonna get worse unless we banned all CFC's. So we started banning them. Oddly enough, the ban on certain refrigerants happened to coincide with patents expiring and the owners of those patents developing new substitutes they could patent. No one mentions that hole in the ozone now, guess they were wrong about it not getting better.
As far as pollution goes, for several decades now we've made efforts, and continue to make efforts to clean up the environment. No doubt more needs to be done, (and maybe some of those efforts were misguided) but we're working on it. I can remember as a kid if you got behind a semi out on the highway you could tell when he was under load, and when he had to gear down by watching the smoke from his stacks. I can't remember the last time I saw a big truck smoking. As a kid I could smell the paper mill(S?) 40 or 50 miles south of us if the wind was blowing the right way, that got cleaned up. I can remember when schools still heated with coal and you could see the smoke from the smoke stack on cold mornings, it's been decades since I saw that. Sawmills once burnt their sawdust in what amounted to open silos (not even sure how to describe it), it's hard to find an example of those now and they haven't been used in decades.
MartinTheFirst · 26-30, M
That's local climate change, not global climate change. Figuring out global climate change is a lot more tricky.
@MartinTheFirst Sure, but what direction are we headed my friend?

 
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