I can't WAIT until meat-substitutes become the norm rather than the exception, can't you?

@JaggedLittlePill

lol well certainly not. I think there will still be racism, sexism and classicism no matter how many meat substitutes we create...

@Pikachu Don't be a daft monkey. You are well aware what I meant when I said the answer to all of our problems.(ie. Food related problems and the affect that they have on the environment, our health etc)

@JaggedLittlePill

lol sorry, i actually didn't know to what you were referring there.
Yes, i agree that meat substitutes wouldn't solve all our food related problems. But they might solve the moral problem about taking life to eat when we don't have to...

@Pikachu If we were not civilised we would be hunting them and cooking them over an open fire. We aren't taking lives of animals for the sake of it. They are a food source.

@Pikachu I mean I am not going to go out and eat dog meat or horse meat...just to clarify! 😂

@JaggedLittlePill

[quote]We aren't taking lives of animals for the sake of it. They are a food source.[/quote]

Well first, that is NOT the only reason we eat animals. It's not just because they are a food source, it's because we like to eat their meat.

Aside from that, that's exactly what i'm talking about here.
If we can produce an alternate, equally as enjoyable food source which does NOT rely on taking life, why wouldn't we embrace that?

@Pikachu You still take life from plants. They are living things. I think if people watched plant behavior in time lapse more they would see things differently. You would see that plants are slower so we don't regard them as living and striving to survive. They absolutely do!
I understand a sustainability argument but would say that the problem with the way we raise our meat is grain feeding. If you simply grazed your animals in the field, possibly planted with wild grains and other grasses it creates padturland that is good for our environment.
Creating mono-culture of crops isn't really good either. Another way to adddress sustainability 8s vertical farming. Do away with sprawling farms and grow indoors. A controlled environment needs no pesticides and uses less than 1% of the water. There are so many things thst can be done if you are serious about it.

@NodandaWink

Definitely. I was waiting for someone to make this point.
But the fact is that we MUST ingest organic matter in order to survive. So if we've got to eat something alive, it seems that plants are better than animals.
That is of course a value judgement.