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Black teenager, Ralph Yarl, was shot and seriously wounded for ringing the wrong doorbell

The attacker was white, and has been released without charge.

So, SWers, what did he do to deserve this?
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@Djofull [quote] she was white, she was shot, so what did she do to deserve this ?
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Also nothing. But her killer was charged with second degree murder, and there doesn’t seem to have been any question about it. Yarl’s shooter was initially released, until there was an outcry.

See the difference ?
@bijouxbroussard The racial outcry brought the charges on the old guy. Not evidence. No city wants a riot so to appease........he was charged. But there is nothing yet to substantiate the charges.......... either way.
@MaBalzEsHari There’s no evidence that he shot the kid ? Is [b]that[/b] what you’re claiming ?
@bijouxbroussard No evidence to say if "Stand Your Ground" or the "castle Laws" applies. He could be innocent if it does........or guilty if it isn't. Of course the kid was shot.
@MaBalzEsHari You’re saying the kid was armed ? I’m trying to understand why you are justifying the shooting of a black kid for knocking on a door. One of your compadres tried to compare it to the shooting of a white woman who was apparently lost, [b]too[/b]. But [b]that[/b] shooter is going to prison—because [b]her[/b] life mattered. And here we are. The fact that in 2023 the U.S. justice system [b]still[/b] won’t serve some people except under threat of civil disobedience is pretty horrible.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MaBalzEsHari Sorry. Even the racist shooter admits he shot through the glass door, took the honor student down, and then shot him again through the shattered glass while on the ground. We know enough for him to be arrested and charged, and finally he was.

There is plenty of evidence showing intent to kill.
@windinhishair But...............if the door was being attempted to be opened.........even by the kid having his hand on the door knob or latch handle..........it is then grounds for Castle Law to apply. That's what I mean..........by MISSOURI law (which I know well) the definitions of "fear" by the shooter hinges on things we don't know yet. If the latch or door is fingerprinted and nothing shows up...........that is evidence that the old man is at fault..........but if there are the kids prints on that door or latch..........not so clear anymore.
@MaBalzEsHari Knocking on the door isn’t trying to open it. You live in Missouri, which explains a great deal. 😞
@bijouxbroussard But a print on a door handle is. The issue was FINGER PRINTS...not knuckle marks. The law is very distinct for hat constitutes fear in the shooters mind. Whether you can grasp that or not is not the issue to me.........or to those investigating this. You sound like a "grab a rope and hang 'em" freak" before you even know what is what. Which explains a lot about your comments.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MaBalzEsHari The Castle Law also includes a duty to show the other person escalated the situation to a lethal force level. [quote]You may not legally use physical force to defend yourself if you were the initial aggressor in the altercation unless you can prove that the other person sufficiently escalated the situation.[/quote]
The racist shooter was clearly the aggressor in this situation.
@MaBalzEsHari No, the folks into [b]hanging[/b] would be the ones basically congratulating the old man for shooting yet another black kid.
@windinhishair NOT IN MISSOURI. All it says HERE is that the one shooter BELIEVED AT THAT MOMENT he was in danger.

You sound like another dog whistle racists. One black and one white does NOT always mean racial motivated.........UNLESS a racist is telling the story. It might be dementia related? Maybe he was robbed before? Maybe he was not on his meds? But to a racist............the NUMBER ONE reason to everything. black and white.........."racially motivated".......automatically.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MaBalzEsHari Many older white men are racists and white supremacists who fear black males because of the color of their skin. That real fear does NOT give them the right to shoot black males based on their skin color, even though their fear may be real.
SW-User
@MaBalzEsHari [quote]You sound like another dog whistle racists.[/quote]Another Republican accusation that is really a confession.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MaBalzEsHari I pulled that quote from a list of exceptions to the MISSOURI CASTLE LAW. So your rant is misdirected.
@windinhishair "Many older white men are racists and white supremacists who fear black males because of the color of their skin. "
I see that by looking at ur age.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MaBalzEsHari My age would not give me the right to kill based on skin color. You need to read the exceptions to the Missouri Castle Law and the duty of the person supposedly defending himself.
@windinhishair WHICH IS EXACTLY MY POINT. Do YOU know the know the exceptions? do YOU know what was caught on a neighbors vid camera? Do YOU know the results of the finger printing of that door?

The answer to all of that is NO. Back to what i said in the beginning. Before you grab the rope..........why not wait to see what the evidence says?
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MaBalzEsHari Ignorance of the law and its exceptions is not an excuse, even in Missouri. You are still subject to the law. Shooting an unarmed person on the ground is admitted to by the shooter. This will all play out in a court of law. Hopefully the honor student will get a fair shake in the court system, and the shooter who grabbed the rope first will get his just reward.
@windinhishair Blah, blah. You'd argue with God just to do it.
Gloomy · F
@MaBalzEsHari as a foreigner I am shocked about the insanity that happened and find the "castle law" disturbing.
Can't even touch a doorknob without giving someone else the right to shoot me or what?
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@MaBalzEsHari Standing up for justice for ALL isn't wrong. The shooter is also entitled to his day in court. And we shall see how it plays out.
@Gloomy I didn't say it wasn't fucked up. That is another GOP coup for helping one of us kill another........ legally. But it is the law.
The [b]shooter[/b] was the one with the "rope" in this scenario. And he admitted as much. So why shouldn’t he be tried in a court of law ? And shooting someone lying on the ground isn’t self-defense. The fact that it should even be a question is part of the legacy of racism in this country, especially (but not exclusively) in the South.
@Gloomy I second you on this.
As an Australian, to be shot just for knocking on a door, or touching the door handle is.....blowing my mind.

And what @MaBalzEsHari seems not to understand is, its not about law details, but the [b]fact it happened! [/b]
He cant see through a hyped up culture of morals that have somehow gone by the wayside, due to ramped up fear. That creates such a horrible reality of some poor kid getting shot for just being at a front door.

Personally, seeing the debate about race, age, and people pissanting around about technicalites of state law is just as shocking ...
...Someones son is dead.
His life gone.
NEVER to get back.
...and the worst thing he did was possibly put his hand on the door handle!😳

Here in Australia, the shooter would be in custody already, and be charged with murder because of the obvious use of overt force.

Its just not right.

Yet here i see people getting angsty about which law, what ifs, and what rights apply.....when a young man is dead.....for no decent reason!

I think some Americans cant see how numb they have become to gun deaths.
As you said....this is SHOCKING !
@OogieBoogie He is NOT dead. Jeez dont anyone read any facts at all before the noose comes out??????

And the shooter is in custody.