How do we discourage capitalism from destroying our ecosystem?
Furthermore do black lives matter? Does my Haitian life matter?
26-30, M
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Actually it's the capitalists who are shifting faster towards lowering their carbon footprint than government.
They've already learned that consumers will buy products that are ecologically less or non damaging, and that investing in renewable power and infrastructure pays big bucks.
However, I think if we reversed deregulation of money it would go a long way towards creating better financial responsibility.
Perhaps we could put higher taxes on businesses that generate greenhouse gases and pollution.
Definitely we should end forestry in all old growth forests, and make sure swamps, estuaries and wetlands are protected - not let businesses mine, develop or exploit them.
I'm sure there are many measures we could introduce; all aimed at rewarding the good and discouraging the bad.
They've already learned that consumers will buy products that are ecologically less or non damaging, and that investing in renewable power and infrastructure pays big bucks.
However, I think if we reversed deregulation of money it would go a long way towards creating better financial responsibility.
Perhaps we could put higher taxes on businesses that generate greenhouse gases and pollution.
Definitely we should end forestry in all old growth forests, and make sure swamps, estuaries and wetlands are protected - not let businesses mine, develop or exploit them.
I'm sure there are many measures we could introduce; all aimed at rewarding the good and discouraging the bad.
thewindupbirdchronicles · 46-50, M
@hartfire Is this applicable to Haitian lives? Even in Canada, it appears the same wash in the 80s where corporations satisfied consumer needs that plastic was recyclable, yet only about 20% ever was. They'll convince you of anything to sell a product.
In Ontario, we have a pro-business government, rewarding *businesses* who want to degrade what was once considered protected land; the Greenbelt. You can complain about government, but they are beholden to corporate interest. Capitalism by design [b]needs[/b] to sell for profit and make people want the product. The first of the 3r's is, reduce.
They'll even go as far as making you want something you never needed, while promoting we're promoting ecological living.
In Ontario, we have a pro-business government, rewarding *businesses* who want to degrade what was once considered protected land; the Greenbelt. You can complain about government, but they are beholden to corporate interest. Capitalism by design [b]needs[/b] to sell for profit and make people want the product. The first of the 3r's is, reduce.
They'll even go as far as making you want something you never needed, while promoting we're promoting ecological living.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@hartfire I think some capitalists are doing so but not those setting policy. The Australian government, for instance, has been in the pocket of the fossil fuel industry for decades. The special government committees set up by LNP have been a who's who of News Limited and fossil fuel company folk. Still the current government can't set a science-aligned target because they want these meagre donations into their party coffers.
@thewindupbirdchronicles
Hard plastics can be turned into swamp proof fence posts, public park benches and tables, flooring, decking and numerous other items. States which provide ten cents per clean item at collection points have been far more successful at recycling.
For most people cleaning food containers is too much trouble. But metals are smelted from ores, so I'm sure someone could invent a way of either smelting out impurities or making use of them.
Soft plastics need to be sorted into their separate kinds - which means we need a computerised scanning and sorting process. Nylon can be recycled as nylon, polyester as polyester and so on.
Already there are fashion houses selling recycled plastics as raincoats, horse rugs, bags, shoes, high-vis workwear, shade sails, yachting sails and numerous other items.
Personally, I prefer wearing fabrics made from linen or hemp, and wool in winter. I don't like the fact that artificial fabrics exude carcinogenic vapours. We can't smell them, but there is a strong uptick in cancers for people who wear them a lot.
I agree with you about [i]reduce[/i] as the first practice for bringing down global warming.
I also agree that capitalism is based on profits. And conservative governments are more prone to be pro-business than liberal or leftish ones.
But we don't have to look back far in history to see where capitalism took off and went mad; it coincided with deregulation of the monetary system.
I recognise that, once let go, it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle.
But I do think we could use legislation to slowly rein capitalism in.
The big corporations could survive easily on only 3% profit , just enough - after wages, expenses and taxes - to invest in research and development.
The ideas I suggested above have already been proven successful in various parts of the world.
If each country studied the environmental successes and failures of all the others, governments would soon realise what works and be able to use it to convince their businesses at home.
Another option would be to make all forms of donations to parties or political candidates illegal.
Instead, grant exactly the same amount of money to each candidate who can show a specific number of voters who agree they would vote for him or her. Each campaign gets the same amount, enough to fund the candidate's credentials, policies, public debates, and counter arguments.
That way citizens vote for the candidate and the policies, not who can throw the most ads or pay the most bribes.
Yet another option is to change the tax system to the same as Germany's.
Half a person's taxes go straight to the government. The other half goes by percentages to the govt services that the citizen decides.
Profoundly democratic.
This is how Germany became the first in Europe to get rid of acid rain, and the first to start converting to renewable energy. They are far further ahead in greening their country and economy that any other OECD country.
Hard plastics can be turned into swamp proof fence posts, public park benches and tables, flooring, decking and numerous other items. States which provide ten cents per clean item at collection points have been far more successful at recycling.
For most people cleaning food containers is too much trouble. But metals are smelted from ores, so I'm sure someone could invent a way of either smelting out impurities or making use of them.
Soft plastics need to be sorted into their separate kinds - which means we need a computerised scanning and sorting process. Nylon can be recycled as nylon, polyester as polyester and so on.
Already there are fashion houses selling recycled plastics as raincoats, horse rugs, bags, shoes, high-vis workwear, shade sails, yachting sails and numerous other items.
Personally, I prefer wearing fabrics made from linen or hemp, and wool in winter. I don't like the fact that artificial fabrics exude carcinogenic vapours. We can't smell them, but there is a strong uptick in cancers for people who wear them a lot.
I agree with you about [i]reduce[/i] as the first practice for bringing down global warming.
I also agree that capitalism is based on profits. And conservative governments are more prone to be pro-business than liberal or leftish ones.
But we don't have to look back far in history to see where capitalism took off and went mad; it coincided with deregulation of the monetary system.
I recognise that, once let go, it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle.
But I do think we could use legislation to slowly rein capitalism in.
The big corporations could survive easily on only 3% profit , just enough - after wages, expenses and taxes - to invest in research and development.
The ideas I suggested above have already been proven successful in various parts of the world.
If each country studied the environmental successes and failures of all the others, governments would soon realise what works and be able to use it to convince their businesses at home.
Another option would be to make all forms of donations to parties or political candidates illegal.
Instead, grant exactly the same amount of money to each candidate who can show a specific number of voters who agree they would vote for him or her. Each campaign gets the same amount, enough to fund the candidate's credentials, policies, public debates, and counter arguments.
That way citizens vote for the candidate and the policies, not who can throw the most ads or pay the most bribes.
Yet another option is to change the tax system to the same as Germany's.
Half a person's taxes go straight to the government. The other half goes by percentages to the govt services that the citizen decides.
Profoundly democratic.
This is how Germany became the first in Europe to get rid of acid rain, and the first to start converting to renewable energy. They are far further ahead in greening their country and economy that any other OECD country.
thewindupbirdchronicles · 46-50, M
@hartfire Give me all the all examples you want but 80% percent of plastics reclycable are not recycled. It was a means to sell goods for years, and I don't doubt the ingenuity of capitalism (at all, pretty much expressed in my words) I don't mistake it as a means to an end. So convince me when we ask for more than ever, induced by asking for things we don't need, while corporations sell we will save you, while selling you empty promises for profit.
It's really about selling a world nobody asked, but is sold in asking for. I say culture has more ingenuity than this and this only comes from profit looking for gain. That's what got us here, believing blindly in abundance, and the naivety, ignore we rule the world; no matter how you look upon our inventions *last minute*. So try to sell me on economic structures of the world, who ignore the world, go ahead.
And you never answered how does this work in countries that are not affluent? (Ie. Haitian). I noticed no one talks upon this, yet it's in the original question, why to push forward some system, that systemically discriminates? Great system. That's rehashing old class systems, but they are in some people eyes, things that just exist.
So solve that salvo for me, where we ask for more than ever we need, and capitalism gives that need, by design.
It's really about selling a world nobody asked, but is sold in asking for. I say culture has more ingenuity than this and this only comes from profit looking for gain. That's what got us here, believing blindly in abundance, and the naivety, ignore we rule the world; no matter how you look upon our inventions *last minute*. So try to sell me on economic structures of the world, who ignore the world, go ahead.
And you never answered how does this work in countries that are not affluent? (Ie. Haitian). I noticed no one talks upon this, yet it's in the original question, why to push forward some system, that systemically discriminates? Great system. That's rehashing old class systems, but they are in some people eyes, things that just exist.
So solve that salvo for me, where we ask for more than ever we need, and capitalism gives that need, by design.