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Men: do you ever get told to lower your standards or else you’ll end up alone?

It’s just something I’ve observed as a woman. I’ve been told this, that I shouldn’t be picky and take what I can get, or that I should be grateful for any attention that I get.

I’ve always been a very stubborn and uncompromising person, so I never listened and ended up with someone that exceeded my standards. 🤷‍♀️

But I can see this working on women who aren’t as self assured as I am, which is sad. Don’t listen to those losers.

It’s better to be alone than with someone who doesn’t fulfill you.

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Tatsumi2 · 31-35, M
Women get attention and have to sift through a lot of different options.

Men dont sift. They take what their value is capable of actively finding. The exception is the top 10% of men whom 80% of women desire and are all competing for.

This is show clearly on dating apps. Women swipe right on 1% of men, men swipe right on 50% of women. AKA women are picky by nature. And they should be, because sex can be dangerous to women, so they want the best they can get, naturally.

Your perspective is unfortunately the way many women feel these days. Its a function of the times, with women doing better than men in education and career.

Female sexual market value stems from the ability to have babies. Since 1 woman = 1 baby per 9 months, and 1 man = >1 baby, this means women have innate value and are highly desired. This is conveyed through health and beauty and youth. AKA ability to have babies.

Men are not so, as the disposable sex. Thats why the male role was typically to die in war or on the job or protecting women and children--better they die to preserve human popultion growth potential.

So, if men are worthless by default, how did they accrue value before? Occupation and accomplishment. Social status and power. Because women like those things.

Now that women have a lot of their own social power or economic power, that means male value drops substantially.

So why should you compromise while men arent told to? Because female standards are currently highly inflated, and most will only be happy with a man who is in the top 10% of all men. Doing the math, most women are not satisfied with the available men, because there aren't enough to go around.

Women are hypergamous, which means they date across and up heirarchies. That means women want men who are as good as them or preferably better. Men are not this way, they pretty much take whatever they can get. As shown on Tinder, with men showing they find most women attractive, and women showing they only want the best men available. Supply cannot meet demand for the top men, so they tend to use and abuse women, which also makes women feel all men want is sex. No, they just are only seeing the top men and are ignoring 80%-90% of men who want something real. These men have all the options, so they're either bedding a lot of women or are settling down with the highest quality women.

Also since women can have visibility on the best men in the world, it makes it virtually impossible to compare, as an average or even above average man.

You should care about getting a high quality man. But that should be padded with the idea that there are men "at your level" that arent necessarily Leonardo DeCaprio or a king or a prince or independently wealthy.

I used to think women should drop their standards. Because the standards are typically astoundingly high. However, i think now the emphasis should be on improving men to where women will be satisfied with them. Unfortuntely, the current state makes most women unhappy and desiring to be alone rather than dropping their standards, and it makes most men unhappy and unable to find a woman, dulling themselves with video games and porn.

My recommendation would be to date in person. You wont lower your standards, you will just give men the opportunity to prove they have value to you outside of being top 10% attractive or wealthy or powerful, which is all we can really display, online. Humor, connection, companionship, vibes, those can show you that there are men out there who are worthy of you. But you wont see those on an app or online.

Its obviously up to you, but you will probably be happier dating in person and finding a decent guy to create a life with, rather than being alone or waiting for a top 10% guy who can have any woman he wants somehow dropping everything to be with you.
Tatsumi2 · 31-35, M
@666Maggotz Well, I'm sorry to hear about your bad experiences.

Approaching tends to be done by the douchebags who dont respect womens personal boundaries, so its prolly good. MeToo addressed an important problem of specific men abusing power, but it also scared the shit out of normal men, too, so that could play a role as well.

You could say it is the male role to initiate, then. Women want a strong man who takes initiative. Attraction + Comfort + Commitment. Women also typically need to feel safe.

Gender roles are the norm, yes.

Okay, pardon my presumptiveness. Didnt mean to offend.

Im not overly fond of having my value judged either, so i get it.

So. You have a boyfriend? Whats up with the post, then? In any case, I'm glad to hear you have someone. I hope it goes well. Relationships are hard. I just lost my 4 year, so maybe im feeling sorry for mysef. so, well, good luck.
666Maggotz · F
@Tatsumi2 it’s kinda hard to date as a woman who is autistic when no one approaches you 😅 I’m not good at picking up subtle social cues, so I have to literally be told you’re interested or else I’m going to assume everything is platonic.

Yes, I know. I’m just not interested in following gender roles. So anyone who is, is automatically not a choice for me.

My issue is the society wants to bring people down. I’m worried this mindset will make women with low self esteem settle for abusive men. I grew up in an abusive house. There was physical, mental, and sexual abuse. I just don’t want people to end up in a bad situation just because they think they aren’t “special enough” for someone to truly love them. I seen it with my mom, she allowed her partners to mistreat her and it makes me so angry. But she was hurt who whole life, starting with her father. So I think she just can’t see that she’s worth so much more. I’m not only concerned about myself but all people. I was first told to settle for what I can get at 15 years old by a 24 year old man who was trying to groom me. That mindset turns toxic fast and preys on the most vulnerable people in society.
Tatsumi2 · 31-35, M
@666Maggotz Fair. I dated an autistic chick once. Thats rough.

Fair.

Given your background, it makes sense that would be a concern. My concern is just both men and women being terribly unhappy onaverae and the gap between them grows larger and larger. That seems like a bad thing for society.

Less pair-bonded males usually leads to more violet males. The reason we're not seeing that is theorized to be porn and video games dulling the men who arent eligible for the dating pool.

I do see your point, and I am sorry you had to grow up in that kind of evironment. A child should not have to edure such things. I can see how the recommendation to sacrifice standards could potetially lead down that road. I do think a natural substitute would be offline dating, for the aforemetioned reason, but that ship has sailed and gone.

I worry the relationships between men and women will further fragment until most of us are alone and sad
No, I found taking care of yourself and being genuinely happy to be with yourself is more key first, then the right people you desire will end up around (and possibly with) you
SW-User
Yes, the social role of advertising convinces us that no one is out of reach, to value superficial qualities and life teaches us that I'm reality the proverbial "she" that lives in guys' minds are never going to be interested in us. But, you never know I guess.
666Maggotz · F
@SW-User if you’re told no one is out of reach, then why lower your standards? What I mean by this, I’ve been told that I’m not “special enough” to have what I desire in a partner, so I need/deserves less that what I want. What I desire I wouldn’t even consider superficial, people just assume I’m superficial when I say I have high standards. It’s just in reality, I don’t get along with most people so it’s hard to find compatible personalities.
SW-User
@666Maggotz That makes total sense. You deserve someone who makes you happy.
SW-User
No one should ever compromise their standards.
AngelKrish · 26-30, M
No need to compromise!
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C11111111111111 · 31-35, M
I don't have that trouble

 
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