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Pretzel · 61-69, M
they keep passing laws - I think it all started after Lee Harvey Oswald used a mail order rifle to kill JFK
hasn't stopped people from getting a hold of firearms and doing bad things with them
the US culture won't allow for confiscation and destruction.
so the best we can can do it put violent criminals in overcrowded prisons - only to be released early because nobody wants to put new prisons in their back yard.
hasn't stopped people from getting a hold of firearms and doing bad things with them
the US culture won't allow for confiscation and destruction.
so the best we can can do it put violent criminals in overcrowded prisons - only to be released early because nobody wants to put new prisons in their back yard.
Ynotisay · M
@Pretzel If 'they' is the federal government they haven't passed gun laws in about 30 years. Some states have. The only real national legislation, that came in the form of an executive order which is different than a law, is Biden's move last year to expand background checks. But it still isn't universal background checks. We can't even do that even though most Americans support it.
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@Ynotisay you have to get past the gun lobbies who are big donators to campaigns.
the biggest problem is that the government - state, federal, local simply can't keep people from owning/possessing/using something they want.
tried it with alcohol, then with drugs - how did that work out?
made alcohol illegal and that only allowed organized crime to thrive
same thing with drugs - it's illegal and yet massive amounts cross the borders.
make guns illegal - they will just become another revenue source for people that want to make big bucks.
the biggest problem is that the government - state, federal, local simply can't keep people from owning/possessing/using something they want.
tried it with alcohol, then with drugs - how did that work out?
made alcohol illegal and that only allowed organized crime to thrive
same thing with drugs - it's illegal and yet massive amounts cross the borders.
make guns illegal - they will just become another revenue source for people that want to make big bucks.
Ynotisay · M
@Pretzel But the government absolutely can help to stop people from doing things. Do drunk driving laws work 100 percent of the time? Of course not. Does that mean they shouldn't be in place?
We have laws against hand grenades. Can people get hand grenades? Or would like to have grenades? Sure. But you don't see a lot of hand grenades around.
My state of California has pretty strict gun laws. And the gun death rate is about 43% lower than the rest of the country. Cause and effect. Looser gun laws means more gun deaths. That's irrefutable.
Now maybe you've run across legislators demanding an end to firearms in the U.S.. But I sure haven't heard it. From anyone. Banning guns isn't, or has ever been, on the table. So bringing it up, as some do with the "slippery slope" fear angle, is ludicrous and doesn't hold weight. That's not what the real debate is about.
We have laws against hand grenades. Can people get hand grenades? Or would like to have grenades? Sure. But you don't see a lot of hand grenades around.
My state of California has pretty strict gun laws. And the gun death rate is about 43% lower than the rest of the country. Cause and effect. Looser gun laws means more gun deaths. That's irrefutable.
Now maybe you've run across legislators demanding an end to firearms in the U.S.. But I sure haven't heard it. From anyone. Banning guns isn't, or has ever been, on the table. So bringing it up, as some do with the "slippery slope" fear angle, is ludicrous and doesn't hold weight. That's not what the real debate is about.